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Aliens Don't Exist and If They Did, It's Irrelevant

FACT #1: Based on our fastest capable speeds it would take 70,000 years to reach the nearest solar system. Even if we went at a fraction of that speed and collided with a small rock on the way the ship would be utterly destroyed. And the probability of life in any one solar system is so astronomically remote, the nearest system would not be merely 70,000 years away but at best billions of years away and more likely trillions of years away. So even if life did exist on another planet, it's irrelevant. Stick with your Bible.

FACT #2: Even if an alien race existed they would still need a cause as well, and on and on, but infinite regress is impossible, because if there was an eternity of the past of cause and effects, we would have happened already, having had an eternity to do so. Moreover, we would not have existed, because an eternity would still be going on before it could every reach this point. Infinite regress is not only proven false on both accounts but inherently contradictory.

FACT #3: There have not been enough interatomic interactions in the history of the universe for life to exist on another planet. Science doesn't know what life is and can't explain how life arose from the chaos of an explosion that sterilized the entire cosmos a trillion times over. "Natural selection" is no help. It can neither create life nor assist the first living thing to start functioning. The first living cell would have had to come about by pure chance. But this is mathematically impossible--and there is no arguing with mathematics.

There are approximately 10^80 atoms in the cosmos. Assuming 10^12 interatomic interactions per second per atom, and 10^18 seconds (30 billion years) as twice the evolutionists' age of the universe, we get 10^110 (80 +12+18) as the total number of possible interatomic interactions in 30 billion years.

If each interatomic interaction produced a unique molecule, then no more than 10^110 unique molecules could have ever existed in the universe. About 1,000 protein molecules composed of amino acids are needed for the most primitive form of life. To find a proper sequence of 200 amino acids for a relatively short protein molecule has been calculated to require "about 10^130 trials. This is a hundred billion billion times the total number of molecules ever to exist in the history of the cosmos! No random process could ever result in even one such protein structure, much less the full set of roughly 1000 needed in the simplest form of life.

"It is therefore sheer irrationality...to believe that random chemical interactions could ever [form] a viable set of functional proteins out of the truly staggering number of candidate possibilities. In the face of such stunningly unfavourable odds, how could any scientist with any sense of honesty appeal to chance interactions as the explanation for the complexity we see in living systems? To do so with conscious awareness of these numbers, in my opinion, represents a serious breach of scientific integrity" (John R. Baumgardener, Theoretical Division of Los Alamos National Laboratory. See pp. 224-25).

Donald Page, an eminent cosmologist, calculated the odds of the universe existing 10(10^1240). Remember, the simplest physical structure upon which natural selection might operate must happen by chance--and it can't.

When anyone says that an eye, for example, couldn't happen by chance, Dawkins responds in an offended tone, "Well, of course an eye couldn't happen by chance! Natural selection is the very opposite of chance!" But Dawkins doesn't mention that natural selection is impossible without some living thing that can replicate itself.

FACT #4: The Pseudepigrapha and Apocrypha books were excluded from the Bible. One of the reasons is they taught about aliens (automatically making them false). God says there are no aliens. He says there are: a) angels, and b) men on earth. That's it! When you really think about it, why would God need to create more than that? There is One Son of God who will be the center of the New City (Rev. 21), not many Sons of God in a bunch of New Cities across the universe. There is only One Uncreated Creator for one New City. The Bible says His sons and daughters (elect men and women) are the pillars of the New City not aliens. Judgment upon man does not need to be done by an alien race attacking earth or freakish hybridization (sorry Tom Cruise, you lose). God is not an unjust or unrighteous God!

Contradiction: Those who believe in aliens claim aliens came to earth long ago but today they are no longer here which contradicts all the alleged alien sitings and abductions in our modern day, so I guess they think the evidence from thousands of years ago is better evidence than all the hoopla today.
Okay, first thing's first, I am an atheist who believes only in science, not some invisible supreme being in the sky watching humanity kill each other. So my arguments will be one-sided and biased. That said, I am open-minded and if somebody offers me scientific proof (a book written by a crazy Jew with a colorful imagination does not count) that something like god existed, I'm always open to ideas. Also, I don't mind if people believe in god, just that they keep it to themselves and not forcefully press people into believing in their own ideas like they've always done.
Also, for someone who, surprisingly, understands science, these are awfully arrogant and hollow arguments...
Now, onto rebuttals...

"FACT" #1: You are assuming that we will forever be bound to our current infantile rocket technologies and our speed of travel will always be the same, however, technology, unlike religion, progresses with incredible pace. As we develop faster ways of propulsion, we will definitely develop shielding mechanisms to prevent ships from being torn apart by dust particles. The chances of life on other planets is really unknown, because we haven't even found that many exoplanets, the search has just started and the technology is very primitive, we are only able to find giant gas giants because of their size, which doesn't allow for life (as we know it). So what if it's millions of light years away? We will eventually get there. And STICK TO YOUR BIBLE? really? are you kidding me? Humans have "stuck to the bible" since some conman wrote it a few thousand years ago. Look at how far that got us! NOWHERE! Now when the industrial revolution kicked off, A.K.A. when religion lost its hold and people stopped getting burned at a stake for not believing in god, that got us much further than the thousands of years of religion combined.

"FACT" #2: Your arguments here is based on the idea that everything in the bible is true. It's not. So why do you think that aliens will need some form of belief, some form of faith to survive? Religion is something that humans invented to pretend they could explain everything they don't know, maybe the aliens we find will decide that they should focus on actually WORKING on knowing the things they don't know instead of coming up with some bollocks explanation to try to explain something.

"FACT' #3: Science CREATES life, HUMANS define life. A single-celled organism (give that same organism a few billion years it develops into intelligent sentient lifeforms) on an alien world is life, but you may not accept it. There are MANY MANY MANY galaxies MUCH older than ours, if our young galaxy has life (and a lot more than one kind), why can't the trillions of others? . Life is created by evolution, molecules of different acids, random chemical reactions, and our position in our solar system and galaxy with the right planets to help us evolve and be here to believe in god. Our position is in no way unique, there are trillions of planets like ours in the milky way, in the Goldilocks zone, in the right position, and with enough molecules for life. As for your math, it's wrong. There are MORE than 10^80 atoms in the OBSERVABLE universe, meaning our 13 billion light year bubble, which is most definitely NOT the entire universe, and this is not an accurate estimate, since the light from just-forming galaxies are only reaching us now, we have no idea how huge these galaxies have gotten, not to mention the neutron stars, black holes, and other anomalies that contain much more material able to create life. The only reason we exist is because we are here, thinking about why we exist and if we are alone, and not pure chance, because if we didn't exist due to pure chance, we would not be musing about why we exist, make sense? The math is UNKNOWN, because we really don't know enough about, life, space, and the universe to know how big or small the chances are. your "math" is based on pure untrue assumptions. Also, for argument's sake, why would we assume that aliens need water, sunlight, or even solid land to survive? Aliens could theoretically evolve from nitrogen, hydrogen, in the air, in space, or any place you may think of. In that case, life is very NOT uncommon in the universe, it would be just as usual as people on Earth, or animals in the forest. But of course this is not life "as we know it"

"FACT" #4: The bible is always right...sure, makes legit logical sense. IF THE BIBLE SAYS ALIENS DON'T EXIST, ALIENS MUST NOT EXIST! pure awesomeness of logic...The passages excluded from the bible were probably the only things that were true. And why can't god, this all-powerful being, create life on some other planets? and go look after THEM instead of looking at our failure of a planet? If god knew everything, why would he create this Earth that's not flat, full of homosexuals, murder, rape, crime, war, destruction, global warming etc. etc.? Universe? Galaxy? well apparently he didn't know much about what he created, unless you are crazy enough to say that the universe doesn't exist and god wanted to punish us for whatever? an alien race really wouldn't find a reason to attack and judge us, which is ironic since it's what we might actually do to other aliens when we have sufficient technology to do so.

"Contradiction": The claims of aliens visiting Earth are generally regarded as bollocks, because it's most likely not real. The first sightings may have been real, but all the copycats that follow aren't. However, just because aliens didn't take a stop to visit our stupid and primitive race, doesn't mean that aliens don't exist. Just because of some conman deciding it would be funny to record some flying saucers on tape doesn't ruin the possibility of other life in the universe.