View Poll Results: Who is Going to be Raptured at the First Rapture before the Tribulation Commences?

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  • 1. Alive 144,000 at first rapture (virgin firsfruits Christians, Rev. 14.1).

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  • 2. Alive and resting (from past 20 centuries) 144,000 at first rapture.

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  • 3. Alive overcomers at first rapture (Rev. 3.10, 7.9, Luke 21.36, Matt. 24.40-41).

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  • 4. Alive 144,000 and alive overcomers at first rapture.

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  • 5. Alive and resting 144,000 and alive overcomers at first rapture.

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  • 6. Alive and resting 144,000 and alive overcomers and resting martyrs from the past 20 centuries (Rev. 6.9-10, Rev. 20.4b) at first rapture.

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  • 7. Alive 144,000 and alive overcomers and resting martyrs at first rapture.

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  • 8. Alive and resting 144,000 and alive overcomers and resting martyrs at first rapture, plus the martyrs during the Tribulation are raptured individually like the Two Witnesses as they are martyred through the Tribulation (Rev. 6.11, Rev. 20.4c).

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  • 9. Alive 144,000 and alive overcomers and resting martyrs raptured at first rapture, plus during the Tribulation martyrs are raptured individually as those in option 8.

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  • 10. Alive and resting 144,000, alive and resting overcomers, and resting martyrs at first rapture, plus martyrs are raptured individually through the Tribulation as those in in option 8.

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    Default Why are the postrib and pretrib onlyism views false?

    Understand partial rapture and you will discover what is wrong with pretrib and posttrib onlyist views. In fact, you will also soon discover why there is no prewrath before Revelation 9.18 and the second woe, but there is a prewrath of 1 Thess. 4.15-17 that takes before the last twenty-four months of the third woe which contain the bowls and are specifically named the wrath of God: " seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God" (Rev. 15.1).

    The prewrath resurrection and rapture occurs before the 24 months of the 7 bowls of the 7th trumpet: "And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, [and] over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God" (Rev. 15.2). "And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous [are] thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true [are] thy ways, thou King of saints" (v.3). "Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for [thou] only [art] holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest" (v.4). "And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened" (v.5). The "seven golden vials full of the wrath of God" (v.7) "No man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled" (v.8).

    After nuclear holocaust in the second woe of 13 months in Revelation 9, the 7 bowls are yet to be poured out. The saints who were not raptured at the first rapture at the start of the Tribulation are raptured at the start of the last trumpet that contains the 7 bowls of wrath.

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    Re: Terry James
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry James
    The Lord tells me --in His Word-- that liars have no place in Heaven, and that false accusers of His children are particularly in trouble.
    Therefore, by your own words you admit yourself into Hell and lock yourself in Hell from the inside. Unless of course you have since rebuked the writers in your recent book who changed this verse,

    "Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition" (2 Thess. 2.3). Not departure!

    But you also reject partial rapture as well, for clearly we see conditional statements for the first rapture:

    "Because thou didst keep the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of trial, that [hour] which is to come upon the whole world, to try them that dwell upon the earth" (Rev. 3.10).

    Do all Christians do this? Of course not. It is a conditional statement. Why warn us to be watchful if there is no consequence to doing so? "Keep thee form the hour of trial..."

    "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man" (Luke 21.36). Here again we see a condition and a consequence. Why be antinomian?

    "Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two [women shall be] grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come" (Matt. 24.40-42).

    Why watch if you are going to be raptured before the Tribulation anyway? Party it up. Or maybe, you are wrong at the outset Terry James and your thinking is really fleshly and selfish?

    It occurred to me Pretribulation Rapture Onlyists are sorta like Calvinists in that clearly the word is heeding us to watch, pray, keep the word of His patience, and God pleads with us continually, but they are antinomians, because Calvinists say they were irresistibly selected anyway and others given no opportunity to be saved, like Pretrib Onlyists who say we will be raptured irregardless of our behavior and these consequences and warnings in God's word.

    Do not think by my writing this I am any less stern with posttrib onlyists, for they too misjudge God's word by taking away the hope of the Church which is in a first rapture according to readiness. Both of you guys are going to accuse the brethren day and night (Rev. 12.10) when you see a couple million people disappear from the planet, yet there you in the heap of it, assuming this could not be the body of Christ for it was you surely would have been included.

    A great falling away is about to come up pretrib and posttrib onlyists. The Amplified Bible Version has this interesting point to make:

    "Let no one deceive you or beguile you in any way, for that day will not come except the apostacy comes first [unless the predicted great falling away of those who have professed to be Christians has come], and the man of lawlessness (sin) is revealed, who is the son of doom (of perdition)" (2 Thess. 2.3) [Dan. 7.25, 8.25, 1 Tim. 4.1]

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