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Churchwork
04-07-2006, 05:25 AM
Help a Calvinist Not Reach the Point of Blaspheming the Holy Spirit!

Do you know why calvinism is ultimately wrong and more often than not most calvinists are unsaved? To get to the deepest point of cause and effect, this is the answer.

We were made in God's image (Gen. 1.26,27) with a free-will as God has. This was by His His Spirit when He breathed His Spirit into the body to create a soul life about 6000 years ago in His image. He foreknew it: we are known before the foundations of the world: predestinated by foreknowledge our choice (Rom. 8.29). God's foreknowledge is infinite, even beyond that.

Calvinists say they are totally deprave, which means they believe they can no longer be in God's image to choose to come to the cross and be drawn by God for God to grace them with His life.

So, they actually kill the image of God and worship another. In thinking they are totally deprave, they must believe they had to have been irresistably and unconditionally predesigned, premade and preselected like robots to be atoned for limitedly, rather than God atoning for the sins of the whole world in which some who repent would then be saved as others reject and resist grace, and are conditionally unelected.

Cause and effect are at stake here: (1) God predestinated by foreknowledge our choice (Rom. 8.29); then (2) He made us in His image 6000 years ago (Gen. 1.26,27); then (3) the first Adam fell, men were born into sin; (4) redemption was offerred through propriation of the Christ; and finally (5) those who look to the cross - from the right of being made in God's image, not by the will of the flesh, for no man can be saved by the flesh that must die on the cross - or back at the cross does not matter, it is still the same eternal cross of salvation by the shedding of the blood in forgiveness of sins.

In none of these 5 steps does God elect the person, before they can be saved, and before they can believe. This is the evil of calvinism that their god would premake people for hell, just for hell, and others just for heaven like they are robots, even zombies. You can tell this to calvinists over and over and it can't reach their conscience of their intuitive spirit because the head is the problem, and this information first must enter their head to reach their spirit.

One quirk you will notice in talking to calvinists is they will avoid like the plague the fact of man remaining being in the image of God after the fall. They have to avoid this, because they can't stand that it is by this image graced upon man that man has that choice to come to salvation of the grace to receive the gift of eternal life.

Churchwork
04-07-2006, 06:13 AM
A calvinist obsesses over sin and carries it too far, meaning they turn it into a legalization so that the image of God is destroyed in the man, so they think. Christians look to Christ with one eye on Him at all times instead of at the fallen nature. If you focus on the fall or the sin nature, you take your eye off of Christ. This is what has happened to calvinists; their eye is on this pride-filled teaching of total depravity. They think they are more spiritual this way, it is their idol. The consequence of such an idol is to require God pick them and not others to get them to come out of total depravity. It is nothing but pride and a heady salvation! You don't feel touched in your spirit when you hear such a thing. It feels cold and stiff. Your renewed Christian mind finds such ideology unappealing because a loving God will offer to salvation to all, and allowing all the right to be saved, though not all receive the Cross. To hear about limited irresistible and unconditional reeks to your very core and produces a detestable sensation in your heart. You pray to God and ask Him, how could people believe such an evil thing? It sounds too much like the Arian nation and natural selection, like robots and preselectionism, even arbitrary and random. Help them Lord see the evil in calvinism to be deceived not!

greg1844
04-07-2006, 10:13 PM
It is my understanding that Jesus died for all mankind. Jesus works to save everyman through the gift of His life, His death, His resurrection, and His intercessory ministry. God has granted a measure of faith to all and has granted His Spirit to all. He has also granted freedom to choose to all and has died that all may be free to choose. Jesus accepts all mankind's vote after each is given time to decide whether they want Him and His gifts. When each has had their time to decide He accepts their election as tares or as wheat and allows each of us to have the gift of our faith.