Arikel88
12-21-2021, 10:27 PM
The bible refers that malakim is the way how Judaism called angels, the word angel comes from the word ?Angelos? greek meaning messenger truth be told they are powerful beings and the order how angels were portay by the catholic church are wrong. The catholic portays them as human and child-like they were never that figure. But in biblical times the bible says it prohibits the israelites from depicting things from heaven.
20:4 exodus
You shall not (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3808.htm) make (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/6213.htm) for yourself (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/l%C9%99%C2%B7%E1%B8%B5%C4%81%20(Prep::%202ms)%20--) an idol (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/6459.htm) in the form (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3605.htm) of anything (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8544.htm) in the heavens (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8064.htm) above, (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/4605.htm) on the earth (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/776.htm) below, (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8478.htm) or in the waters (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/4325.htm) beneath. (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8478.htm)
This is case that angels could not be depicted and painted and most the images in the internet and the catholic paintings from the renassaince are wrong. Angels are being we cannot see with the naked eye, only the prophet Ezekiel says in A vision A sight of the Lord with his angels.
Ezekiel 10:1-22
That is closest what is described even though angels appear to him, How did this portrayal of angels in a good vs evil appears that angels will destroy each other
in the celestial war ?
Zoroastrianism Is the influence that Catholic, Judaism, and Modern-Day Christian fall for it, It teaches that good and evil exist in the plane of angels heirarchy and angels all have wings and all are special beings. such as its monotheism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotheism), messianism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianism), belief in judgement after death (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgement_(afterlife)), conception of heaven (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven) and hell (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell), and free will (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will_in_theology) may have influenced other religious and philosophical systems. Even though Judaism predates it even before the exile of babylon the kingdoms of Judah and Israel worshipped other Gods and accepted influence from other religions. Zoroastrianism influence it all and this concept of angels and demons arouse.
What is the closest we know on how the angels really look like, how the lord is in his throne with them is
hebrews 12:29 for our ?God is a consuming fire.?
It is reference of what power he is made of and the angels around him are made of fire like his because he is so powerful other ranks of angels under Seraphim, Cherubins, and Ophafins ( Thrones ) can be near him.
G-d is not men or women in appearance but fire he can come down here as man but in heaven his body is fire !!!
The angels are made of his fire and can withstand his enormous power
. The question do angels have wings ? some do and some don?t their is heirarchy that exist but for christians Seraphims are the high order the top but for hebrew (Judaism) chayot ha kadesh are the higher caste but here is an example.
Maimonides
he puts heirarchy like this
Rank Angelic Class Notes
1 Chayot Ha Kadesh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_creatures_(Bible)) [21] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angels_in_Judaism#cite_note-21) See Ezekiel 1 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+1&version=NRSV) and Ezekiel 10 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+10&version=NASB)
2 Ophanim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophanim) See Ezekiel 1 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+1&version=NRSV) and Ezekiel 10 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+10&version=NASB)
3 Erelim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Er%27el) See Isaiah 33:7 (https://www.biblica.com/bible/?osis=nasb:Isaiah%2033:7)
4 Hashmallim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashmal) See Ezekiel 1:4 (https://www.biblica.com/bible/?osis=nasb:Ezekiel%201:4)
5 Seraphim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seraph) See Isaiah 6 (https://www.biblica.com/bible/?osis=nasb:Isaiah%206)
6 Malakim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malakim) Messengers, angels
7 Elohim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim) ?Godly beings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deity)?
8 Bene Elohim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_God) ?Sons of Godly beings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demigod)?
9 Cherubim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherub) See Hagigah (http://halakhah.com/pdf/moed/Chagigah.pdf) 13b
10 Ishim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishim_(angel)) ?manlike beings?, see Genesis 18:2 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+18:2&version=nasb,) Daniel 10:5 (https://www.biblica.com/bible/?osis=nasb:Daniel%2010:5)
then the christian one
1: Seraphims
2:Cherubins
3:Thrones (Ophanims)
4.Dominations
5.Virtues
6.Powers
7.Principalities
8.Archangels
9.Angels
are the order of christians.
But because of the flood, the destruction of the temple of Solomon when babylon attacked, and other times history is destroyed in Israel by this calamities we do not know the way is organized and rabbi?s say that great information was lost in this incidents of history we do not know how the order is ?
Some scholars say Chayot Ha Kodesh are indeed Archangels so the order maybe switched.
So where does it says angels have wings ? one part says it.
When moses made the ark God instructed him to put wings on the cherubs !
1 kings6:27
27And he placed (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5414.htm) the cherubim (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3742.htm) inside (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8432.htm) the innermost room (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/6442.htm) of the temple. (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/1004.htm) Since their (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3742.htm) wings (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3671.htm) were spread out, (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/6566.htm) the wing (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3671.htm) of the first cherub (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/259.htm) touched (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5060.htm) one wall, (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/7023.htm) while the wing (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3671.htm) of the second (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8145.htm) cherub (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3742.htm) touched (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5060.htm) the other (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8145.htm) wall, (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/7023.htm) and in (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/413.htm) the middle (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8432.htm) of the room (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/1004.htm) their wingtips (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3671.htm) touched. (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5060.htm)
It shows the ark was made with cherubs and their wings.
Where does it say they don?t have wings ?
The ophanims ( Thrones)
they do not have wings
Ezekiel 1:15-21
As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like topaz, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not change direction as the creatures went. Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around.
When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
No where in this part do they have wings.
There is error that people see angels like child-like babies that have wings and the Catholic church depicted them as cherubs such A way and the bible never said they look like that but powerful creatures with 4 wings of the Lord !!! People the eyes are fooled for what they see and people who saw angels cannot see the whole being for it is A being of fire.
A fire more greater than suns but what does the bible say about Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel aren?t they archangels shouldn?t they be Chayot Ha Kadesh the truth is Raphael and Uriel are not real they are not God?s angel another error of history they were created by the catholic church. They do not appear in the tanak or bible no aprt. The bible only talks of 2 angels and they are Mikael and Gavriel they are the angels G-d sends to talk to his prophets.
Raphael is made up just like the baby cherubs, also Uriel they are not part of the old testament they do not appear only in the apocryphals books.
So Raphael and Uriel are not bible based but made up.
20:4 exodus
You shall not (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3808.htm) make (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/6213.htm) for yourself (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/l%C9%99%C2%B7%E1%B8%B5%C4%81%20(Prep::%202ms)%20--) an idol (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/6459.htm) in the form (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3605.htm) of anything (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8544.htm) in the heavens (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8064.htm) above, (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/4605.htm) on the earth (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/776.htm) below, (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8478.htm) or in the waters (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/4325.htm) beneath. (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8478.htm)
This is case that angels could not be depicted and painted and most the images in the internet and the catholic paintings from the renassaince are wrong. Angels are being we cannot see with the naked eye, only the prophet Ezekiel says in A vision A sight of the Lord with his angels.
Ezekiel 10:1-22
That is closest what is described even though angels appear to him, How did this portrayal of angels in a good vs evil appears that angels will destroy each other
in the celestial war ?
Zoroastrianism Is the influence that Catholic, Judaism, and Modern-Day Christian fall for it, It teaches that good and evil exist in the plane of angels heirarchy and angels all have wings and all are special beings. such as its monotheism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotheism), messianism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianism), belief in judgement after death (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgement_(afterlife)), conception of heaven (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven) and hell (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell), and free will (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will_in_theology) may have influenced other religious and philosophical systems. Even though Judaism predates it even before the exile of babylon the kingdoms of Judah and Israel worshipped other Gods and accepted influence from other religions. Zoroastrianism influence it all and this concept of angels and demons arouse.
What is the closest we know on how the angels really look like, how the lord is in his throne with them is
hebrews 12:29 for our ?God is a consuming fire.?
It is reference of what power he is made of and the angels around him are made of fire like his because he is so powerful other ranks of angels under Seraphim, Cherubins, and Ophafins ( Thrones ) can be near him.
G-d is not men or women in appearance but fire he can come down here as man but in heaven his body is fire !!!
The angels are made of his fire and can withstand his enormous power
. The question do angels have wings ? some do and some don?t their is heirarchy that exist but for christians Seraphims are the high order the top but for hebrew (Judaism) chayot ha kadesh are the higher caste but here is an example.
Maimonides
he puts heirarchy like this
Rank Angelic Class Notes
1 Chayot Ha Kadesh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_creatures_(Bible)) [21] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angels_in_Judaism#cite_note-21) See Ezekiel 1 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+1&version=NRSV) and Ezekiel 10 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+10&version=NASB)
2 Ophanim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophanim) See Ezekiel 1 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+1&version=NRSV) and Ezekiel 10 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+10&version=NASB)
3 Erelim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Er%27el) See Isaiah 33:7 (https://www.biblica.com/bible/?osis=nasb:Isaiah%2033:7)
4 Hashmallim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashmal) See Ezekiel 1:4 (https://www.biblica.com/bible/?osis=nasb:Ezekiel%201:4)
5 Seraphim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seraph) See Isaiah 6 (https://www.biblica.com/bible/?osis=nasb:Isaiah%206)
6 Malakim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malakim) Messengers, angels
7 Elohim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim) ?Godly beings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deity)?
8 Bene Elohim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_God) ?Sons of Godly beings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demigod)?
9 Cherubim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherub) See Hagigah (http://halakhah.com/pdf/moed/Chagigah.pdf) 13b
10 Ishim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishim_(angel)) ?manlike beings?, see Genesis 18:2 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+18:2&version=nasb,) Daniel 10:5 (https://www.biblica.com/bible/?osis=nasb:Daniel%2010:5)
then the christian one
1: Seraphims
2:Cherubins
3:Thrones (Ophanims)
4.Dominations
5.Virtues
6.Powers
7.Principalities
8.Archangels
9.Angels
are the order of christians.
But because of the flood, the destruction of the temple of Solomon when babylon attacked, and other times history is destroyed in Israel by this calamities we do not know the way is organized and rabbi?s say that great information was lost in this incidents of history we do not know how the order is ?
Some scholars say Chayot Ha Kodesh are indeed Archangels so the order maybe switched.
So where does it says angels have wings ? one part says it.
When moses made the ark God instructed him to put wings on the cherubs !
1 kings6:27
27And he placed (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5414.htm) the cherubim (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3742.htm) inside (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8432.htm) the innermost room (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/6442.htm) of the temple. (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/1004.htm) Since their (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3742.htm) wings (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3671.htm) were spread out, (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/6566.htm) the wing (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3671.htm) of the first cherub (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/259.htm) touched (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5060.htm) one wall, (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/7023.htm) while the wing (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3671.htm) of the second (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8145.htm) cherub (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3742.htm) touched (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5060.htm) the other (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8145.htm) wall, (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/7023.htm) and in (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/413.htm) the middle (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8432.htm) of the room (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/1004.htm) their wingtips (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3671.htm) touched. (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5060.htm)
It shows the ark was made with cherubs and their wings.
Where does it say they don?t have wings ?
The ophanims ( Thrones)
they do not have wings
Ezekiel 1:15-21
As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like topaz, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not change direction as the creatures went. Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around.
When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
No where in this part do they have wings.
There is error that people see angels like child-like babies that have wings and the Catholic church depicted them as cherubs such A way and the bible never said they look like that but powerful creatures with 4 wings of the Lord !!! People the eyes are fooled for what they see and people who saw angels cannot see the whole being for it is A being of fire.
A fire more greater than suns but what does the bible say about Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel aren?t they archangels shouldn?t they be Chayot Ha Kadesh the truth is Raphael and Uriel are not real they are not God?s angel another error of history they were created by the catholic church. They do not appear in the tanak or bible no aprt. The bible only talks of 2 angels and they are Mikael and Gavriel they are the angels G-d sends to talk to his prophets.
Raphael is made up just like the baby cherubs, also Uriel they are not part of the old testament they do not appear only in the apocryphals books.
So Raphael and Uriel are not bible based but made up.