Paul
05-04-2018, 04:49 AM
LDS theology tells us that all mortals lived prior to this life in what is called the pre-existence. Mormon Apostle Bruce McConkie stated that it was in the pre-existence that Jesus attained the status of a God. Wrote McConkie, “He is the Firstborn of the Father. By obedience and devotion to the truth he attained that pinnacle of intelligence which ranked him as a God, as the Lord Omnipotent, while yet in his pre-existent state” (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, pg. 129). In essence, the Mormon Jesus did something his own “father” could not accomplish, that is, become a God before going through a mortal probation.
In essence, the Mormon Jesus did something his own “father” could not accomplish, that is, become a God before going through a mortal probation.
Christians have long maintained that Christ was, and is, the eternal God. Unlike the teachings of LDS prophets, there was not a point in time when He was not God.
Christ’s eternal Godhood also show that Lucifer could not be the brother of Christ. John 1:1-3 tells us that all things (including Lucifer) were made by the Christ who was in the beginning, God. Colossians 1:16 tells us that all things, including things visible and invisible, principalities or powers [obviously that would include Lucifer who became the Devil the great Dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns], were created by the preeminent Jesus Christ, the eternal God. The Bible forcefully declares Lucifer to be a creation of Jesus, not in any way the brother of Jesus.
Disconcerting also is the fact that the Jesus of Mormonism is but one of many “saviors.” Said Brigham Young, “Sin is upon every earth that ever was created … Consequently every earth has its redeemer, and every earth has its tempter; and the people thereof, in their turn and time, receive all that we receive, and pass through all the ordeals that we are passing through” (Journal of Discourses (http://jod.mrm.org/14/70#71) 14:71-72 (http://jod.mrm.org/14/70#71)). Consider also the fact that Young taught, “How many Gods there are, I do not know, But there never was a time when there were not Gods and worlds, and when men were not passing through the same ordeals that we are passing through. That course has been from all eternity, and it is and will be so to all eternity” (Journal of Discourses (http://jod.mrm.org/7/331#333) 7:333 (http://jod.mrm.org/7/331#333)). If such comments were true, we can assume that there are literally millions of saviors on millions of worlds! [So much for just one Savior of all existence]
Another inconsistent aspect of LDS Christology is the idea that Jesus had to “work out” his salvation. Bruce McConkie claimed, “Jesus kept the commandments of his Father and thereby worked out his own salvation, and also set an example as to the way and the means whereby all men may be saved” (The Mortal Messiah 4:434). It is difficult to understand this concept given the fact that McConkie had already stated Jesus had become a God in the preexistence. Why does a God have to be saved? To say Christ had to do anything towards a “salvation” should rightfully be considered blasphemous by anyone who holds the Bible dear. [Salvation is not by works lest anyon should boast]
Equally troubling is Brigham Young’s teaching that Christ had a nature similar to that found in mankind. In 1857 he taught that while Christ was “tabernacling in the flesh, he was more or less contaminated with fallen nature. While he was here, in a body that his mother Mary bore him, he was more or less connected with and influenced by this nature that we have received. According to the flesh, he was the seed of Adam and Eve, and suffered the weaknesses and temptations of his fellow mortals” (Journal of Discourses (http://jod.mrm.org/6/93#95) 6:95-96 (http://jod.mrm.org/6/93#95)).
One of the pillars of the Christian faith is there is no sin that Christ’s blood cannot cleanse. First John 1:7 states, “But if we walk in the light, as He is in the Light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth from all sin.” If the Mormons are in fact serving the same Christ, why is this not true of his blood? In the LDS tract entitled, What the Mormons Think of Christ (1973, p. 22), it reads, “Christians speak often of the blood of Christ and its cleansing power. Much that is believed and taught on this subject, however, is such utter nonsense and so palpably false that to believe it is to lose one’s salvation. Many go so far, for instance, as to pretend, at least, to believe that if we confess Christ with our lips and avow that we accept Him as our personal Savior, we are thereby saved. His blood, without other act than mere belief, they say, makes us clean.” On page 92 of McConkie’s Mormon Doctrine, he wrote, “But under certain circumstances there are serious sins for which the cleansing of Christ does not operate, and the law of God is that men must then have their own blood shed to atone for their sins.”
Many Mormons do not realize that some of their leaders know full well that the LDS Jesus is not the Jesus who Bible-believing Christians trust in for their salvation. Why else would McConkie also accuse Christians of abasing “themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ” if he really thought we served the same Jesus? (Mormon Doctrine, p.269).
http://www.mrm.org/jesus-of-mormonism
My issue immediately is what pre-existence? The pre-existence in Mormonism goes on for an eternity of the past does it not? So from one point in that past eternity is the pre-existence that which Jesus attained status of God? Goofy.
Mormons try to attach Jesus with the Devil so that there is as little distinction as possible; they worship Satan.
In essence, the Mormon Jesus did something his own “father” could not accomplish, that is, become a God before going through a mortal probation.
Christians have long maintained that Christ was, and is, the eternal God. Unlike the teachings of LDS prophets, there was not a point in time when He was not God.
Christ’s eternal Godhood also show that Lucifer could not be the brother of Christ. John 1:1-3 tells us that all things (including Lucifer) were made by the Christ who was in the beginning, God. Colossians 1:16 tells us that all things, including things visible and invisible, principalities or powers [obviously that would include Lucifer who became the Devil the great Dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns], were created by the preeminent Jesus Christ, the eternal God. The Bible forcefully declares Lucifer to be a creation of Jesus, not in any way the brother of Jesus.
Disconcerting also is the fact that the Jesus of Mormonism is but one of many “saviors.” Said Brigham Young, “Sin is upon every earth that ever was created … Consequently every earth has its redeemer, and every earth has its tempter; and the people thereof, in their turn and time, receive all that we receive, and pass through all the ordeals that we are passing through” (Journal of Discourses (http://jod.mrm.org/14/70#71) 14:71-72 (http://jod.mrm.org/14/70#71)). Consider also the fact that Young taught, “How many Gods there are, I do not know, But there never was a time when there were not Gods and worlds, and when men were not passing through the same ordeals that we are passing through. That course has been from all eternity, and it is and will be so to all eternity” (Journal of Discourses (http://jod.mrm.org/7/331#333) 7:333 (http://jod.mrm.org/7/331#333)). If such comments were true, we can assume that there are literally millions of saviors on millions of worlds! [So much for just one Savior of all existence]
Another inconsistent aspect of LDS Christology is the idea that Jesus had to “work out” his salvation. Bruce McConkie claimed, “Jesus kept the commandments of his Father and thereby worked out his own salvation, and also set an example as to the way and the means whereby all men may be saved” (The Mortal Messiah 4:434). It is difficult to understand this concept given the fact that McConkie had already stated Jesus had become a God in the preexistence. Why does a God have to be saved? To say Christ had to do anything towards a “salvation” should rightfully be considered blasphemous by anyone who holds the Bible dear. [Salvation is not by works lest anyon should boast]
Equally troubling is Brigham Young’s teaching that Christ had a nature similar to that found in mankind. In 1857 he taught that while Christ was “tabernacling in the flesh, he was more or less contaminated with fallen nature. While he was here, in a body that his mother Mary bore him, he was more or less connected with and influenced by this nature that we have received. According to the flesh, he was the seed of Adam and Eve, and suffered the weaknesses and temptations of his fellow mortals” (Journal of Discourses (http://jod.mrm.org/6/93#95) 6:95-96 (http://jod.mrm.org/6/93#95)).
One of the pillars of the Christian faith is there is no sin that Christ’s blood cannot cleanse. First John 1:7 states, “But if we walk in the light, as He is in the Light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth from all sin.” If the Mormons are in fact serving the same Christ, why is this not true of his blood? In the LDS tract entitled, What the Mormons Think of Christ (1973, p. 22), it reads, “Christians speak often of the blood of Christ and its cleansing power. Much that is believed and taught on this subject, however, is such utter nonsense and so palpably false that to believe it is to lose one’s salvation. Many go so far, for instance, as to pretend, at least, to believe that if we confess Christ with our lips and avow that we accept Him as our personal Savior, we are thereby saved. His blood, without other act than mere belief, they say, makes us clean.” On page 92 of McConkie’s Mormon Doctrine, he wrote, “But under certain circumstances there are serious sins for which the cleansing of Christ does not operate, and the law of God is that men must then have their own blood shed to atone for their sins.”
Many Mormons do not realize that some of their leaders know full well that the LDS Jesus is not the Jesus who Bible-believing Christians trust in for their salvation. Why else would McConkie also accuse Christians of abasing “themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ” if he really thought we served the same Jesus? (Mormon Doctrine, p.269).
http://www.mrm.org/jesus-of-mormonism
My issue immediately is what pre-existence? The pre-existence in Mormonism goes on for an eternity of the past does it not? So from one point in that past eternity is the pre-existence that which Jesus attained status of God? Goofy.
Mormons try to attach Jesus with the Devil so that there is as little distinction as possible; they worship Satan.