Churchwork
03-03-2006, 03:09 PM
I am strangely rejuvinated and received much grace in the last 12 hours after being tested by one who was a co-worker, but who has since lost his commission as an apostle. This proves that apostles can lose their appointment by God as an apostle.
The Lord wanted me to show you some things. These truths have been tested by fire:
- In defense of a spiritual Christian and to show how culture does have its impact, Watchman Nee's culture and the culture in the first century were male centric, so naturally Nee did not see women elders which agreed with the culture of his day many decades ago. His conclusion that women could not be elders is deemed acceptable for his day since there was no women elders in his day (though, he did admit there were women apostles). However, today, there is no excuse for someone saying women can not be elders.
- The church would be very dull in our day if it was male centric as in the RCC system.
- Some of those closest to Christ were women, like the 144,000 fistfruits virgins so that they have any kind of authority.
- If there is a woman apostle (Junius) then there are women elders (though none in the Bible because of the culture of the day). You can't have one without the other.
- Apostles are appointed by God directly; whereas, elders are also appointed by God but also by an apostle (there must be this order which is perfect harmony in obedience and submission).
- The Bible is very plain about women's emotion being a problem, but Jesus never said women can't be apostles or elders.
- These past 2000 years progress has been made on the woman issue: some women can be elders, and more can be apostles today.
- If it is true in the world women are receiving more equal rights, and it is good, why would God stay behind the times? Rather, it is man who is still living in the past who rejects women elders or apostles.
- God can only deal with us according to our knowledge of the day: today, women have a more equal footing than before both in culture and in the Church as they do not allow emotion to rule them, but walk after the spirit and stand on principle. Praise the Lord!
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/womenelders.htm
The Lord wanted me to show you some things. These truths have been tested by fire:
- In defense of a spiritual Christian and to show how culture does have its impact, Watchman Nee's culture and the culture in the first century were male centric, so naturally Nee did not see women elders which agreed with the culture of his day many decades ago. His conclusion that women could not be elders is deemed acceptable for his day since there was no women elders in his day (though, he did admit there were women apostles). However, today, there is no excuse for someone saying women can not be elders.
- The church would be very dull in our day if it was male centric as in the RCC system.
- Some of those closest to Christ were women, like the 144,000 fistfruits virgins so that they have any kind of authority.
- If there is a woman apostle (Junius) then there are women elders (though none in the Bible because of the culture of the day). You can't have one without the other.
- Apostles are appointed by God directly; whereas, elders are also appointed by God but also by an apostle (there must be this order which is perfect harmony in obedience and submission).
- The Bible is very plain about women's emotion being a problem, but Jesus never said women can't be apostles or elders.
- These past 2000 years progress has been made on the woman issue: some women can be elders, and more can be apostles today.
- If it is true in the world women are receiving more equal rights, and it is good, why would God stay behind the times? Rather, it is man who is still living in the past who rejects women elders or apostles.
- God can only deal with us according to our knowledge of the day: today, women have a more equal footing than before both in culture and in the Church as they do not allow emotion to rule them, but walk after the spirit and stand on principle. Praise the Lord!
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/womenelders.htm