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Parture
03-21-2016, 06:31 PM
The lag on Google+ is so bad after hundreds of posts in a single thread, I decided to post my reply to truthseeker stats here instead. Not to the mention the fact that in Google+ and YouTube for some reason paragraphs don't get formed.


o no, you can't as you claim "work very hard for the Lord" to attain it."
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I never claimed that. You should stop making things up for others spanks.
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" He does not go blank for 18 centuries. "
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Correct. People do. Trinity thinkers are proof of that.
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" There are 66 books to God's word. This is not something you can truly appreciate unless you have entered into God's saving grace. "
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No. there are many more. the Bible mentions at least 15 missing books. Where are they?? The Bible says what Jesus did and taught cannot be retained in a book.
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"The Father loves the Son, the Son loves the Father and this love is by the Holy Spirit"
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So how many Beings is that loving each other?? Only one?? LOL.....
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"but if this Jesus you worship is not the Jesus of the Bible, you will go to Hell."

~We're good then. That's reality.
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"Such is the tactic of all religions, atheism and Mormonism, but not Christianity. "
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Not Christianity?? Oh, oh....... The Bible says salvation is not by works lest anyone should boast. Ha, ha, ha... The Bible also says.....
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Proverbs 18:9
9 He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster.
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" Jesus existed before time and space, and he is not the brother of the Devil. "
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No He never an yes He is. The Father is Father of all and that makes ALL Spirits kin.
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" Mormons alter every significant word in the Bible to mean something else."
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No. They "alter"(correct) your bad Bible reading comprehension skills and you hate it. You hate and condemn others to hell according to YOUR OWN errs
You do claim you have to work for it to attain salvation because depending how hard you work you get to different heavens. Of course, that's not what the Bible says, for salvation is not by works lest anyone should boast. If you disagree with your cult on this point, maybe you should leave your cult finally.

The Church has been doing fine, it has not gone missing in action for the Bible says not even the gates of Hell can come against the Church so how do you think your Mormon cult can? Since Jesus created all things, and your god can't, know that Jesus trumps your god. The Father is I AM and the Son is I AM by which the only explanation is the Trinity. This is the God whom you will for eternity reject so you are going to Hell.

You said the Bible says what Jesus taught can't be retained in a book. Where does it say that? That sounds like something Satan would say. Satan is in your heart. You said, "Bible says what Jesus did and taught cannot be retained in a book." You're so evil. You hate the inerrant word of God. You said there are 15 other books of the Bible that have been lost. No! It never says that. These gnostic gospels and other books came along in the 2nd century and later, and the reason they are excluded is because they are not perfect; they tell some untruths.

God is relational so in His Being He has perfect fellowship in His 3 Persons. These are spiritual depths explained of God who existed before time and space and reveals His nature in 3 Persons: Father, Son and Spirit. The Son is never the Father, yet they are of one substance, co-equal (Phil. 2) always have existed, distinct but not separate. Your god did not always exist but like in atheism had to be created out of atheistic material. Your god can't transcend all things and is not omnipresent and omnipotent and omniscient. The only way this can be is if God existed outside of time and space. You want to degrade Jesus into a created being like the JW's do. You are evil. So evil. You are going to burn in the Lake of Fire for all eternity as you have made your false choice and are committed to it come hell or highwater. Repentance is not in the cards for you, that is the position you take.

Now "salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it" (Eph. 2.9). Rewards are not for heaven, but for the millennial reign with Christ such as in Rev. 2.26,27 and 20.4-6 who get to reign with Christ to reign over the nations for 1000 years. This is the day of the Lord. But you try to pull verses that says this is not true, acting like the Devil, author of confusion, instead of reconciling these passages. First one needs to get saved, then one's works grow in the faith. But works were never able to get one saved in the first place nor can works lose salvation once saved, for that is not the Christ we gave our lives to. The Christ Christians have given our lives to is so foreign to the gods of Mormonism.

In Mormonism it is said that people can still go to Hell after becoming Mormons. This shows you have a false faith, because the Bible says once saved always saved. John 10.28 says those who are born-again "shall never perish", but you say someone could yet still perish after believing in Jesus. This shows you worship a false Christ and are going to Hell. You are in an evil pedophilia polytheist polygamist cult. I am glad such a person as you is not going to Heaven as that would be intolerable to be around your insanity for eternity.

In Mormonism your god father use to be a man who also had a father in an infinite regress of gods creating gods so that conflicts with your theory your god is the father of all. You said Jesus did not create the angels. Colossians 1.16 is pretty clear Jesus created the angels: "For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him." So Jesus is not the brother of the Devil. And since Jesus created "all things" He created time and space. Your pathetic god was unable to do that.

"Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made" (John 1.3). You condemn yourself to Hell, don't blame others for your choice. You hate God of the Bible so you say it is true only insofar as much as you didn't change it. Crazy Mormon Moroni Moron Mormo cult.

What's interesting is you do not permit the Bible in anyway to say God created time and space, so much so, that you yourself can not come up with any such words hypothetically.

Parture
03-23-2016, 07:12 PM
John the Fisherman is in the same Mormon thread with truthseeker staats. He said this on March 15, 2016 where he is banned from so you can only speak to him through Google+ not on YouTube Videos, but the lag is so bad with hundreds of posts in that thread, I will just reply here now. Why would he be blocked in a thread and video against Mormonism? Surely if he is speaking against Mormonism he would not be banned. His long list of strange things are hostile to the Triune God what Christians have always believed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9RzUDVgbCc&google_comment_id=z12qijyj5rafchtlz23lfvegtyjrzpvs z


We see the Father created by the Son
No. That's a weird theology claiming the Father is created by the Son. That's certainly not the teaching of the Trinity.

Parture
03-23-2016, 09:28 PM
So you view Ephesians 3:9 as bizarre... so you are a liar and a BIble doubter.
"And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ" (Eph. 3.9).

Where in this verse does it say the Father was created by the Son? JtF is a liar and a Bible doubter. He hates the Triune God of the Bible so he is going to Hell.

Parture
03-30-2016, 12:07 AM
Anyone silly enough to run around telling others three Persons are one Being is no threat to anyone but themselves.
You are thinking in petty human terms. You should at least understand the Trinity and what the Persons are. Don't think of the Persons as 3 Mormon individuals walking around up there or down here. "Persons" in Christianity is a spiritual term in which we see God's 3 expressions of His being. We see the Father, Son and the Spirit all distinct, of one substance, but not separate. They are co-equal, they all resurrected Jesus, and they all together created time and space. Your god can't do that. You, thus, worship a false Christ and are going to Hell. You should give your life the Triune God who existed before time and space, thus, able to transcend all things and, thus, is omnipotent and omniscient and omnipresent. Again, we see your god can't do that. Praise the Lord!

Parture
03-31-2016, 07:50 PM
Christians are stupid. Spirits are not "things" and the Father created ALL spirits. Not Jesus.
That would be weird to say a spirit is not something but nothing. That which is nothing does not exist. Jesus created all things AND all beings. Who says Christians don't honor God the Father? Where you are confused is Jesus created all things and all spirits and all beings: "by him [Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities [INCLUDING LUCIFER], or powers: all things were created BY HIM, and for him" (Col. 1.6).

Paul said Jesus is "EQUAL with God" (Phil. 2.6). Jesus is the "fullness of the Godhead bodily" (Col. 2.9). Jesus is all God can be God in the likeness of flesh because Jesus is God the Son who entered His creation.

"All things were made BY HIM [Jesus]; and without him was not any thing made that was made" (John 1.3).

Not sure how the English language can be worded any better to say Jesus created all things, all beings, all spirits. You prevent the English language from saying in any way that Jesus created all things. This shows you are disingenuous and insincere. Mormons teach that there always existed pre-existing material out from which gods created and then those gods created more gods from the same pre-existing matter they call intelligences, whatever that means. That's atheism. Whereas the Triune God is worshiped by Christians "who alone" (1 Tim. 6.16 (http://biblia.com/bible/asv/1%20Tim.%206.16)) was "from everlasting" (Neh. 9.5 (http://biblia.com/bible/asv/Neh.%209.5)).

Christians have always believed Jesus created all things; then your cult comes along 18 centuries later and says Jesus didn't create all things and is a brother of the Devil.

The 3 Persons of the Godhead agreed the 2nd Persons would enter creation to atone for sins to worship the Father, pay for sins and show us how to live. Existing before time and space this is the arrangement agreed upon within the Triune God. Praise the Lord!

Just because there is authority and submission in the 3 Persons of the Godhead IN CREATION, doesn't necessitate that before time and space they were not co-equal. You're daft spanky, and you worship a false Christ so you most certainly are going to Hell.

As Matt. 10.32,33 says unless you confess who Jesus truly is, He will deny you before the Father in Heaven. Mark 8.38 says if you are ashamed of Him who He truly is, He is ashamed of you. Matt. 12.30 says if you are against Jesus, He is against you. so I know with 100% certainty according to the Bible you are going to burn in the Lake of Fire for all eternity. You're a bad guy spanker.

Parture
04-07-2016, 02:17 AM
You pervert him into this three in one god thing that isn't in the Bible
The Trinity is true, for Jesus said He is I AM and the Father is I AM. There is only one I AM before time and space.

Parture
04-08-2016, 07:04 PM
Who cares what Paul says when Jesus himself says different. So are you now a paulian?


I didn't say they disagree
You said, "Who cares what Paul says when Jesus himself says different." Then with your doubletongue, you said, "I didn't say they disagree." You have no context to say they disagree.

All Christians are Paulian since all Christians agree with Paul. Why do you hate Paul so much?

Bottom line: you are going to Hell, because the Bible says Jesus created all things, but you say Jesus did not create all things but was created by the Father. Thus, you reject the atonement for what and who Jesus is on the cross who was the Creator of all things, time and space, and all beings. You most definitely are going to Hell, rejecting the traditional teachings of the Bible.

Jesus said unless you are willing to confess who He is to others, He denies you before the Father in Heaven (Matt. 10.32,33). If you are ashamed of Him, He said, He is ashamed of you (Mark. 8.38). And if you are not for Jesus who He truly is, He is against you (Matt. 12.30).