Quasi-Christian Cults in Their Quest for Divnity

[Luke]

Isaiah 41:23 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBtAikr21Ek&t=41m23s) 23 Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that YE ARE gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.John 10:34 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBtAikr21Ek&t=10m34s) 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, YE ARE gods? Psalms 82:6 I have said, YE ARE gods; and all of you are children of the most High."...and in the mouths of two or three witnesses shall every word be established." 2 Cor 13:1
Is. 41.23 is mocking those who claim to be gods. These so called gods are powerless. They can neither describe the distant past nor predict the distant future. Those who choose to acknowledge them are as detestable as they are: "anyone who chooses you is detestable." Mormons are detestable!

John 10.34 is an argument from lesser to the greater. It is not an acknowledgment of polytheism or claiming human beings are gods. Judges were called gods because of their exalted though abused roles in Ps. 82.6 so it should not be automatically deemed as blasphemy that Jesus refers to Himself as the Son of God.

An assortment of New Age sects and quasi-Christian cults believe humans are divine. Often they point to this verse. Ps. 82.7 these gods are judges said to face death because of their unjust verdicts showing they are human not divine beings. This same word "gods" in Ps. 82.6 is translated "judges" in Ex. 21.6 and 22.8.

Ps. 82.6 is for the purpose of opposing false religions. These pagan gods such as in Mormonism are worthless idols (96.5, 115.4-7: Is. 46.1-2; 1 Cor. 10.19, 12.2). Elohim in the generic sense is used for "strength, might" to refer to powerful men (Ex. 7.1; John 10.35,36). Pagan deities false worship supplanted the truth of the one God. Such gods might have divine assembly, but they are just made up, so they are not real. They would all die like men (vv.6-7). God the real judge (50.6) has condemned them. You exalt what God condemns. What does that say of you?

2 Cor. 13.1 can't help you hear since no Christian would agree with you, let alone 2 or 3 Christians..

[Luke]

Robert,

You said "Adam and Eve were not sent from the Garden for their first offence" but they were "cast out in case they ate from the tree of life". The first disobedience sent them from the Garden of Eden, not the second or third offense. Since God permitted them to eat of any tree except the tree of knowledge of good and evil, then it was God's desire man eat from the tree of life to receive eternal life. Eternal life refers to having a life relationship with God as stated in John 17.3. It does not refer to living forever. All humans being have a permanently existing spirit so they live forever. God desired man not only live forever which they surely would, but to have eternal life as well since that tree they could eat of.

Your god Satan doesn't want man to live eternally, but since God creates all men in His image to live eternally whether their choice for heaven or hell, Satan would be wrong. This is how you misread the Garden scene.

As for being gods, the Bible says "like" God or "as gods" here only in the sense that God knows good from evil. It's not saying you are a god, gods or God. All Scripture is in complete agreement. We should not say as Mormons do that the Bible is only true insofar as they say it is. No! Absolutely not! The Bible is the inerrant word of God preserved for us and protects us. Praise the Lord!

You can keep repeating that you are a God, even 3 times, but the Bible never says you are a God, not even once. Where 2 or 3 witnesses are in agreement there is the truth.

I love my Apologetics Study Bible with the HCSB version of the Bible. It says with regard to this passage (Gen. 3.4,5), Mormons believe humans can reach godhood. This verse clearly shows the idea originated with the serpent and is contrary to God's revelation: "Because you listened to your wife's voice and ate from the tree which I commanded you not to, the ground is cursed because of you, you will eat from it by means of painful labor all the days of your life" (Gen. 3.17). Certainly this can not be the position that God or gods would be in, in so much pain. God said "you shall surely die" (Gen. 2.17) but you say man doesn't die. All men die sooner than they would otherwise because of the fall of first man. God or gods don't die. But man does die so man is no God. Man dies in his spirit first, his spirit dead to God, then he dies physically, going down to the bad side of Hades unless God provides a saving solution.

This is the heresy of Mormonism: "Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy" (2 Nephi 2:25).

It was never God's desire for man to fall. God's desire was for man to follow His leading and at the appropriate time give man knowledge when he is ready, not before. The problem is man wants knowledge before he is able to handle it properly. Mormons are like eastern religions that teach yin and yang. What they teach is Satanic that God wants suffering.