Who Confirmed a Covenant for One 'Seven'?

[Mark]

There was a 3.5 year period surrounding the cross, so I don't know why you are saying "there was no 7 year period or 3 1/2 period surrounding the cross". Jesus was baptised in the Jordan and then 3.5 years later Jesus was crucified. So for 3.5 years Jesus confirmed the Messianic covenant to Israel, and then put an end to sacrifice by being the final sacrificial lamb.
There is nothing written for several centuries after the cross about a 3 1/2 period around Jesus' death. Jesus ministered for under 3 years.

It says "a" covenant not "the" covenant. None of the 69 sevens were split in half by many centuries, nor shall the last one be. "After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing" (Dan. 9.26). It doesn't say after 62 1/2 sevens. God would not confuse us like that. He would be more specific so as not to be the author of confusion. So it is after the 62 sevens Jesus is cut off, not 62 1/2 sevens.

Notice again it says, "And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing." The only Friday Nisan 14 Passover that fits is the day after the 4 day inspection of the Lamb. There are exactly 173,880 days from Neh. 2.1, the declaration to rebuild the temple, to March 28, 33 AD Monday, Nisan 10 (see the Thomas Ice article on the Seventy Sevens). There are 4 days March 28, 29, 30, 31 then Jesus died on the cross April 1, 33 AD. That would put Jesus' death at the age of 37 1/2 since He was born Tishri 15 6 BC.

And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary" (Dan. 9.26). The people of the future Antichrist come to destroy the city is what follows after Jesus' is cut off. They destroyed the city 70 AD and the Temple was destroyed. This is not a time of 3 1/2 years either.

Then what follows is the future Antichrist and what he does in the final seven: "And he shall confirm a covenant with many for one seven" (v.27).

In today's English, "The ruler will make a treaty with the people [Christians are not 'the people'] for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings [Jews will reinstitute animal sacrifices in a newly constructed 3rd Temple though against God's will; see the Temple in 2 Thess. 2.4 and Rev. 11.2]. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him” (Dan. 9.27 NLT).

Jesus doesn't set up a sacrilegious object. Jesus doesn't make a treaty with the people for one seven. This future ruler Antichrist (reanimated Nero) is not Jesus. These are not the terrible deeds of Jesus! God forbid.

How can Jesus confirm a covenant for one seven if He is already dead or cut off in verse 26? "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy...and he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week" (Dan. 9.26,27).

Would God ask us to change the plain reading of the text? Never in the gospels do we read something like this: "Jesus confirmed a 7 year covenant with the 12 Apostles as spoken by Daniel." You would think that would be important considering Dan. 9.24-27 is the greatest prophecy of the NT along with Is. 53 and Ps. 22. But we do read "The day is coming when you will see what Daniel the prophet spoke about—the sacrilegious object that causes desecration (Dan. 9.27, 11.31, 12.11) standing in the Holy Place (Reader, pay attention!)" (Matt. 24.15).

The one who makes a covenant is the one whose people destroy the city in 70 AD is the one who breaks the covenant in the future is the one who is on the wings of abomination then and only after all this his end shall come.

If this really was Jesus in which "he shall confirm the covenant" (Dan. 9.27) over 7 years then shouldn't a more clear indication be made such as 'Messiah' or the 'one who was cut off' in Dan. 9.26d instead of the covenant maker in Dan. 9.27a following from the prince who destroys the city?

[Peter]

"The Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks" (Dan. 9.25). We agree after these 69 sevens Jesus arrives on the scene with His triumphant entry into Jerusalem on Monday Nisan 10, March 28, 33 AD (Gregorian). He was captured by the Romans on Thursday Nisan 13, March 31, 33 AD. These 4 days from Monday to Thursday are the crucial 4 day inspection of the Lamb emphasized.

"After threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off" (v.26). We can agree this is Jesus' death on the cross that takes place before the last seven. Each 7 is 2,520 days each (7 x 360). Incidentally, a person who does not recognize this number used as God's basic prophetic working unit, that person also objects to the types that led up to it and the fact that 2,520 is very uniquely identified as the smallest number divisible by 2 to 10, and every 7 out of 19 years there are 2,520 days from Feast of Trumpets to Tisha B'Av which does have to do with adding in Adar II every few years.

"The people [Romans in 70 AD] of the prince [future Antichrist] that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary [occurred in 70 AD]; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined [more will follow after that to the end]. And he [Antichrist] shall confirm the covenant [peace treaty - lexicon says "treaty, agreement, or alliance of friendship; constitution, ordinance, monarch to subjects"] with many for one week [Daniel's final seven]: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease [this is not Jesus for Jesus didn't kill Himself], and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate [Jesus does not make desolate], even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolator [Antichrist]" (vv.26,27).

Understand why Rev. 13.18 exists to identify the Antichrist as Nero resurrected for Neron Kaiser in Greek = 666. So when he is reanimated out of the pit when Satan is given the keys to the pit (Rev. 9.1) he will unleash his Antichrist who can never die, for we are appointed once to die.

The grave mistake is to split up the first half of the 7 years with second half of the 7 years by over 2000 years. That is so ad hoc, we must rebuke it. All sevens once they begin have no break within them: they continue for a full 2,520 days as all 69 sevens did. Let us remain consistent as God is consistent.

Verse 25 and the first half of 26 are talking about Jesus. Then the second half of verse 26 and verse 27 talk about the Antichrist. Verse 27 does not then go back to talking about Jesus. Verses 25 to 27 are not taking turns back and forth talking about Jesus and Antichrist. First Jesus is discussed. Then Antichrist is brought into view. God is not putting us in a position of a guessing game, trying to figure who is who. Satan is the author of confusion. Many would have us believe that after the Antichrist is discussed in the second half of verse 26 then Jesus is mentioned in the first half of 27 to then going back to talking about Antichrist in the second half of 27. There is no reason for us to do this. So let's not do it!

What are the dangerous consequences of doing this? When a 7 year treaty is brought forward in the public eye the deniers will find themselves rationalizing it is not the 7 year treaty because they reject any such notion to begin with; thus, they will be swept up by this time period even deceiving others along with them that this is not what we are to be watchful for. Let's recognize how Scripture fits perfectly with the 7 year Tribulation and peace treaty. The first 4 trumpets in Rev. 8 are the first half of the Tribulation. Then Rev. 9 to 11 are the last 3 trumpets or 3 woes that last 42 months. The first half the earth is hurt primarily. In the 2nd half 1/3 of people will die. When these characteristics reveal themselves and the 3rd Temple is completed in the first half of the Tribulation, will those naysayers try to explain this away somehow as well? They will accuse the brethren day and night (Rev. 12.10) who were raptured on Feast of Trumpets "before the throne" (Rev. 7.9) according to readiness (Matt. 24.40-42, Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10) before the 7 years begins with its 1st trumpet (8.7)?

[Luke]

Whoever told you that was obviously being truthful then, at least in regards to that anyway.

This can easily be proven with a calculator, ironically.

Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

How long is a time, and times, and half a time? Verse 6 tells us exactly that..it is 1260 days.

Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.


So now we have this...a time, and times, and half a time equals 1260 days. So now we have to try and determine what the formula would be, IOW how much is a time? How much is times? And how much is half a time in order to come to 1260 days?

The formula would then be like this...a time equals 1. Times equals 2. A half of time equals 1/2. IOW..1 + 2 + 1/2. which then equals 3 and a half which is exactly how many years 1260 days breaks down into. So then, the only number that works is not 365 days, but 360 days. It would be like such...360 + 720 + 180. That equals 1260 days.

If anyone is still not convinced, consider the following.

Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Genesis 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

Genesis 7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

Genesis 8:3 *And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.

According to Genesis 7:11 and Genesis 8:4 this equals 5 months exactly..in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month...the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month

Then from Genesis 7:24 and Genesis 8:3 we know this 5 months consists of 150 days. For the math to work out right, each month needs to be exactly 30 days. If 5 months are 150 days, then logically 12 months has to be 360 days.