Parture
12-12-2013, 09:03 PM
Re: Declan Barnard
Declan is an atheist. His Google + Profile here,
https://plus.google.com/b/109523566446390193429/102918249077367701737/posts
You just contradicted yourself. You believe God is eternal so God had eternity to create the universe. So if God was eternal then the universe would have come into being before the big bang. It's a logical fallacy because you said: "infinite regress is impossible, since you would have had an eternity to come into being before now, so you should have already existed." Yet God had infinity to create the Universe, so the universe should have already existed. Your logical fallacy No. 1.
Eternity implies time in nature, whereas God exists outside of time and space for eternity. While you admit nature comprises time, you can't make the same claim with the uncreated Creator whom brings time into existence. There is no contradiction on part. Your mistaken assumption is "God has infinity" of time to create the universe, suggesting God is dependent on time which as we have seen He is not since He brings it into existence. Don't confuse God's existence for eternity as the same as eternity of time. Do you see your mistake? There are two different meanings of "eternity" you comingled as one, but in doing so, you contradict yourself. That's your logical fallacy No. 1. Like Satan you are stuck in a state of confusion. Satan is the author of confusion whom you follow.
Point 2 you keep saying "something can't come from nothing." Yet you believe God existed for eternity without a cause. So you actually do believe something can come from nothing. Your second contradiction.
God always existing would mean He doesn't come from something. This is your second contradiction thinking that God always existed means He must come from nothing. That which always existed has no cause. You blatantly contradicted yourself. What child would think that that which always existed must have a cause? You're totally mindless.
"Atheism is retarded, just another of many ways to reject your Creator, for which, God has a solution to throw you in the Lake of Fire burning with brimstone, that eternal fire of judgment upon you for preferring your selfish and sin nature, rather than receiving God's saving grace, mercy on the cross to take your sins upon Himself. I for one am grateful to God that He sends you to Hell to keep you eternally separated from me and His loved ones. That's true love. Just like we have to lock up people in jail for life, it is absolutely necessary, you be locked up in Hell for all eternity and be totally forgotten after. Praise the Lord! Thank you Jesus!"
This last quote is just proof of how much of a religitard you are. First off your God sounds like a Stalin, someone who just kills people for not following their ideology. So you are officially morally bankrupt. Two, for some reason I am selfish and sinful nature. Just because I take the rational approach of believing things based on evidence, not faith. Third your idea of love is some what sick and twisted, people get locked up in jail because they kill people, steal (like your religion has pretty much stole your humanity and free thinking from you.) etc. They actually done something wrong. Where as atheism is just a disbelief in God. I shouldn't be eternally punished just for not believing in God, that's not rational not at all. He should provide evidence, not a book of bile that condones slavery and genocide.
It's quite hard to fathom that you are Human. By what you have written I think Satan would most definitely love you.
Religion is the way to God. Since you admit you don't want it, you go to Hell. Your choice. If there is no other solution than death then that is the perfect solution. We can't let people like you roam free engaging in child sacrifices that you defend. Your death is necessary because you are a sick bastard. You can be like Stalin killing people for not following his evil empire, or you can be like God who must put people to death for the sake of those children you try to sacrifice. One side puts an end to your life because of your evil, while the other side puts people to death to preserve the evil empire. You are morally bankrupt that you defend the latter as somehow comparable to the former. Satan is the author of confusion whom you follow. It's really no different than the Allies having to stop the Axis powers.
You don't understand that by rejecting what God did for you, even rejecting His existence, you are being selfish? That's like a child who selfishly for some obtuse reason rejects his parents who love him dearly. You don't believe in evidence, because if you did you wouldn't make the claim something comes from nothing as the evidence shows that to be impossible. What doesn't existence can't cause anything. It doesn't exist. Hello mcfly! And you would find a naturalistic explanation to account for the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles, but you don't, for you just shut your mind down like a zombie for Satan.
Your selfishness, that is, your flesh and its sin nature has erected itself because you prefer Satan's evil ways, so you no longer think for yourself, but are just in a state of constant hostility to the love of God and God Himself. You get locked up, because you reject God's solution to save you. How can you think you could be with God and His people when you would be in a constant state of strife, delusionally denying His existence and showing your hatred to Christians all the time who have accept the Lord Jesus Christ. Remember, there is no sin in the New City and New Earth. Satan has stolen your God-consciousness. Just like people have to be locked up in jail for life because they harm others, you have to be locked up in Hell for eternity because you are unhealthy to be around. You love your sin so much, you're so sick and twisted, you actually lock yourself in Hell from the inside of your own volition because you prefer it than be with God.
Atheism is a rejection of God's existence, a disbelief in God; there can be no greater sin for it is the sin of all sins to deny very reality itself. All that flows from that delusion of denying God's existence forms your morally bankrupt lifestyle and though processes no matter how warped you get. You have free will and want to be eternally separated from God so to Hell you shall go. It's want you want, so it is kind of strange to complain about it when it is what you want.
The Bible doesn't condone slavery or genocide. Before you argue against something at least get it right what you are arguing against. On your street, your next door neighbor kills someone on your block as a sacrifice each year, and you are always afraid your family will be next. What is the morally right thing to do? Accuse those who take a stand as about to commit genocide against this person? Or do you be a man, grow some balls, and put that person to death as well as any of his kin who continue to refuse to stop this practice. There is no jail big enough. Every time you accuse of genocide in the Bible, you are defending child sacrifices. You're a sick bastard! Israel has workers who are not slaves in the typical sense, but are given all kinds of rights. This of course, is a temporary measure. It would be the equivalent today of a lower class, the middle class, and upper class. It is temporary to meet the conditions of the day in peoples' less than perfect conduct.
I would like to point out that the most charities in the world are Christian. There is virtually no atheist charities on the planet. That speaks to the selfishness you are inspired by in your faith. Secondly, Stalin an atheist killed 40 million people, Polpot an atheist killed 60 million, and Hitler an atheist killed 30 million. Why is that you atheists kill so many people then accuse Christians when the Roman Catholics, comprising the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition, were not Christians?
Declan is an atheist. His Google + Profile here,
https://plus.google.com/b/109523566446390193429/102918249077367701737/posts
You just contradicted yourself. You believe God is eternal so God had eternity to create the universe. So if God was eternal then the universe would have come into being before the big bang. It's a logical fallacy because you said: "infinite regress is impossible, since you would have had an eternity to come into being before now, so you should have already existed." Yet God had infinity to create the Universe, so the universe should have already existed. Your logical fallacy No. 1.
Eternity implies time in nature, whereas God exists outside of time and space for eternity. While you admit nature comprises time, you can't make the same claim with the uncreated Creator whom brings time into existence. There is no contradiction on part. Your mistaken assumption is "God has infinity" of time to create the universe, suggesting God is dependent on time which as we have seen He is not since He brings it into existence. Don't confuse God's existence for eternity as the same as eternity of time. Do you see your mistake? There are two different meanings of "eternity" you comingled as one, but in doing so, you contradict yourself. That's your logical fallacy No. 1. Like Satan you are stuck in a state of confusion. Satan is the author of confusion whom you follow.
Point 2 you keep saying "something can't come from nothing." Yet you believe God existed for eternity without a cause. So you actually do believe something can come from nothing. Your second contradiction.
God always existing would mean He doesn't come from something. This is your second contradiction thinking that God always existed means He must come from nothing. That which always existed has no cause. You blatantly contradicted yourself. What child would think that that which always existed must have a cause? You're totally mindless.
"Atheism is retarded, just another of many ways to reject your Creator, for which, God has a solution to throw you in the Lake of Fire burning with brimstone, that eternal fire of judgment upon you for preferring your selfish and sin nature, rather than receiving God's saving grace, mercy on the cross to take your sins upon Himself. I for one am grateful to God that He sends you to Hell to keep you eternally separated from me and His loved ones. That's true love. Just like we have to lock up people in jail for life, it is absolutely necessary, you be locked up in Hell for all eternity and be totally forgotten after. Praise the Lord! Thank you Jesus!"
This last quote is just proof of how much of a religitard you are. First off your God sounds like a Stalin, someone who just kills people for not following their ideology. So you are officially morally bankrupt. Two, for some reason I am selfish and sinful nature. Just because I take the rational approach of believing things based on evidence, not faith. Third your idea of love is some what sick and twisted, people get locked up in jail because they kill people, steal (like your religion has pretty much stole your humanity and free thinking from you.) etc. They actually done something wrong. Where as atheism is just a disbelief in God. I shouldn't be eternally punished just for not believing in God, that's not rational not at all. He should provide evidence, not a book of bile that condones slavery and genocide.
It's quite hard to fathom that you are Human. By what you have written I think Satan would most definitely love you.
Religion is the way to God. Since you admit you don't want it, you go to Hell. Your choice. If there is no other solution than death then that is the perfect solution. We can't let people like you roam free engaging in child sacrifices that you defend. Your death is necessary because you are a sick bastard. You can be like Stalin killing people for not following his evil empire, or you can be like God who must put people to death for the sake of those children you try to sacrifice. One side puts an end to your life because of your evil, while the other side puts people to death to preserve the evil empire. You are morally bankrupt that you defend the latter as somehow comparable to the former. Satan is the author of confusion whom you follow. It's really no different than the Allies having to stop the Axis powers.
You don't understand that by rejecting what God did for you, even rejecting His existence, you are being selfish? That's like a child who selfishly for some obtuse reason rejects his parents who love him dearly. You don't believe in evidence, because if you did you wouldn't make the claim something comes from nothing as the evidence shows that to be impossible. What doesn't existence can't cause anything. It doesn't exist. Hello mcfly! And you would find a naturalistic explanation to account for the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles, but you don't, for you just shut your mind down like a zombie for Satan.
Your selfishness, that is, your flesh and its sin nature has erected itself because you prefer Satan's evil ways, so you no longer think for yourself, but are just in a state of constant hostility to the love of God and God Himself. You get locked up, because you reject God's solution to save you. How can you think you could be with God and His people when you would be in a constant state of strife, delusionally denying His existence and showing your hatred to Christians all the time who have accept the Lord Jesus Christ. Remember, there is no sin in the New City and New Earth. Satan has stolen your God-consciousness. Just like people have to be locked up in jail for life because they harm others, you have to be locked up in Hell for eternity because you are unhealthy to be around. You love your sin so much, you're so sick and twisted, you actually lock yourself in Hell from the inside of your own volition because you prefer it than be with God.
Atheism is a rejection of God's existence, a disbelief in God; there can be no greater sin for it is the sin of all sins to deny very reality itself. All that flows from that delusion of denying God's existence forms your morally bankrupt lifestyle and though processes no matter how warped you get. You have free will and want to be eternally separated from God so to Hell you shall go. It's want you want, so it is kind of strange to complain about it when it is what you want.
The Bible doesn't condone slavery or genocide. Before you argue against something at least get it right what you are arguing against. On your street, your next door neighbor kills someone on your block as a sacrifice each year, and you are always afraid your family will be next. What is the morally right thing to do? Accuse those who take a stand as about to commit genocide against this person? Or do you be a man, grow some balls, and put that person to death as well as any of his kin who continue to refuse to stop this practice. There is no jail big enough. Every time you accuse of genocide in the Bible, you are defending child sacrifices. You're a sick bastard! Israel has workers who are not slaves in the typical sense, but are given all kinds of rights. This of course, is a temporary measure. It would be the equivalent today of a lower class, the middle class, and upper class. It is temporary to meet the conditions of the day in peoples' less than perfect conduct.
I would like to point out that the most charities in the world are Christian. There is virtually no atheist charities on the planet. That speaks to the selfishness you are inspired by in your faith. Secondly, Stalin an atheist killed 40 million people, Polpot an atheist killed 60 million, and Hitler an atheist killed 30 million. Why is that you atheists kill so many people then accuse Christians when the Roman Catholics, comprising the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition, were not Christians?