Parture
12-16-2012, 06:29 PM
I posted a thread conversation from Meet and Play Forums to show you how Christians are mistreated and discriminated against. The analysis of this abusive behavior against Christians is recorded here (http://biblocality.com/forums/showthread.php?4962-Filling-Naturalism-s-Void-AVI-63-MB-by-Gary-R-Habermas&p=10276#post10276). The conversation itself is given below as follows on page 2 & 3 of the thread "Kane's Serving Approach (http://www.meetandplay.com/Thread/View/17679?page=2)" in the Men's Professional forums for the racquetball community.
reid (http://www.meetandplay.com/Profile/View/6/reid) writes, in response to my comment top Canadian racquetball players finding it harder to get sponsored on the US IRT pro tour,
"I thought the most adversity Canadians had to go through, was the moose on the way to their snowmobiles? I've seen that TV show When Animals Attack."
I respond by saying,
"The most adversity we Canadian racquetball players go through is being banned from the Alberta Racquetball Association for life by John Halko and Barbara May (http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/ARA_Barb_May.htm) for standing up against unrighteousness when Barb lied to protect her hide, I exposed her, and thus was banned by her abuse of power. Do you think that upset them when I came out of hiatus after 3 years at the age of 45 and beat the #9 ranked player in Canada in the 2012 Saskatchewan Open (http://www.r2sports.com/tourney/drawsOut/drawOut.asp?divID=2&combinedID=0&TID=10357&chatRoomUserID=&link=../drawsOut/drawOut.asp)a tournament outside of Alberta?"
Without my even mentioning anything about Christianity, tonyh accuses and brings up Christianity saying, "Full of vengance. Doesn't come across as truly Christian."
tonyh (http://www.meetandplay.com/Profile/View/109/tonyh) then writes,
Judge ye not Troy.
Four years and you obviously still haven't forgotten.
wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, and gluttony.
How many you covering in this thread?
And you ARE a bait-eater and retaliator.
Jesus sobs.
Phony christians are a dime a dozen. Get even it's what Satan wants."
We see tony has some angst against my faith. Pointing out the evil doings of John Halko and Barbara is exposing evil behavior not vengeance. Vengeance would be like when someone does something wrong and you expose him or her (http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/ARA_Barb_May.htm), but they turn around and instead of repenting try to restrict you and ban you. We got word the Mayfield Athletic Club in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada is being closed down that shows God's judgment a month after they got me banned from this club in 2012.
As for mentioning the fact that Manny Gregorio has not beaten me in a single game of racquetball in 25 years was not to brag but to show that since he was the highest ranked player at racquetball in Canada from Edmonton at 67th (http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/unholytrinityinracquetball.htm) this indicates the poor showing of Edmonton Racquetball for high rankings in Canada. This poor showing was a judgment upon Edmonton Racquetball and the Alberta Racquetball Association, namely John Halko and Barbara May.
We also have no juniors from Edmonton in the top 100 in Canada either which does not bode well for future racquetball in my beloved city. For example, when I was 17 years old (1985) I played in just 3 tournaments and won them (Alberta Juniors in Calgary, Men's B in Prince Albert, and Men's B in Medicine Hat), and as a result, I was already ranked 35th in Canada. Racquetball was far more popular back then. I am sure other juniors could have done better than me if they had the support today, but Barbara May and John Halko who are both not Christians are hellbent on discriminating against a Christian, namely myself. They have actually prevented me from starting up a tournament, from playing in tournaments in Alberta and developing juniors. As of the last ranking update, Dec. 11, 2012 I am now ranked 34th in Canada. I started playing racquetball again this year after taking 3 years off.
I see the connection between their antichrist behavior, attempting to fabricate lies, discriminating against a Christian, lying to protect their hide (http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/ARA_Barb_May.htm) and the closing of the Mayfield Athletic Club (which John Halko plays at) and racquetball's poor showing in Edmonton. Unrighteousness has its consequences.
So I respond on page 3 simply with the truth (http://www.meetandplay.com/Thread/View/17679?page=3)...
I am just trying to be real. Don't do Satan's bidding. Don't be a pawn of Satan.
People abuse Matt. 7.1 all the time to rationalize their flesh by leaving out the following verse. What does it really say? "Judge ye not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again" (Matt. 7.1,2). I am not guilty of the same action of injustice since I like to treat others as I would like to be treated: I don't lie to protect my hide as Barbara May did. I don't do a 180 on people. I am not jealous of losing to players I never beat or can't beat. I don't protect those who lied to defend their hide as John Halko did. I don't ban people to misdirect off myself as John Halko and Barbara May did. I expose evil.
God has not forgotten (news the Mayfield Athletic Club in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada-the club Kane grew up in-will be closed down permanently one month after Barbara May and John Halko got me banned me from this club) but we who are in Christ keep forgiving our accusers even though God keeps judging like He did to the Pharaoh plague after plague.
Jesus said, "Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you [from their company], and shall reproach [you], and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake" (Luke 6.22).
Thank you Jesus.
"And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night" (Rev. 12.10)
Satan is the great false accuser who has no evidence for his false accusations just has hatred of the saints, God's children, chosen before the foundations of the world.
hilario (http://www.meetandplay.com/Profile/View/115/Hilario) comes back with,
"Parture, save the homily for Sunday. You were doing so good staying on topic. Now you're just corrupting this thread with irrationality and superstition."
I respond (moderator makes it hidden by doesn't hide any comments from hilario or tonyh),
Since you are self-acclaimed as so infinitely rational and not superstitious then I am sure you can explain to the avid reader how the universe came into being since that which exists needs a cause, can't come from nothing (that which does not exist can't cause anything), and can't always have existed since you would have happened already having had an eternity to do so if infinite regress were true. Contrawise, you would have never existed because an alleged past eternity would still be going on to never reach this point in time. Any theory you propose can't contradict itself.
Furthermore, the burden is also on you to find a naturalistic explanation to account for the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles multiply attested to in various group settings as well documented as anything in antiquity. Jesus has more sources written about him within 150 years of his death than any ten popular figures combined from antiquity. People don't willingly die for what they know is a lie; all the eyewitness Apostles were martyred except John though John was almost put to death several times. They were martyred and did not change their testimony. The DSM-4 Psychology Manual says there is no such thing as group hallucinations. The Swoon Theory fails since He would not look much like a risen Messiah all tattered and torn, scourged down to the bone.
There is this little thing called "evidence" and "burden of proof". (http://biblocality.com/forums/list.php?category/78-Simon-Greenleaf) The burden is on you according to the law.
Royal Professor of Law at Harvard, Simon Greenleaf, was considered to be the greatest expert of evidence the world had ever known. The Supreme Justice of the Supreme Court said that Greenleaf's testimony is the most basic and compelling testimony that can be accepted in any English speaking court in the world. When Greenleaf spoke, that settled the matter. He was far and away the most knowledgeable person on evidence the world had ever known. The London Times said that more light on jurisprudence had come from Greenleaf than all the jurists of Europe combined.
Greenleaf had one inviolable principle in his classrooms at Harvard, and that was, you never make up your mind about any significant matter without first considering the evidence. Greenleaf was not a Christian. When challenged by one of his students with this principle, he admitted that he had not considered the evidence. When he did, he became a Christian: believed in the deity, death and resurrection of Jesus.
After examining every thread of information he could find he said in his book, The Testimony of the Evangelists: The Gospels Examined for the Rules of Evidence, that if any unbiased jury in the world considered the evidence for the resurrection of Christ, they would have to conclude that Jesus of Nazareth actually rose from the dead.
And so he became a believer that Jesus was God and was converted. He wrote, "In requiring this candor and simplicity of mind, and those who would investigate the truth of our religion..." He sees that Christianity is, in fact, the only evidential historical religion in the world, and the whole things rests upon evidence which he finds so compelling and so overwhelming that any honest person with an open mind examining the evidence would be like himself inescapably drawn to accept it. And so he sets forth his first rule of legal evidence and for any other ancient document.
"Every document apparently ancient coming from the proper repository or custody and bearing on its face no evident marks of forgery, the law presumes to be genuine and devolves on the opposing party the burden of proving it to be otherwise."
"This ancient document, the Scripture, has come from the proper repository, that is, it is has been in the hands of the persons of the Church for 2000 years almost and it bears on its face no evident marks of forgery, and therefore the law presumes it to be genuine, and those who would presume otherwise upon them devolves the responsibility of proving it to be false. We don't have to prove it to be true. They have to prove it to be false. That's what the law says."
(Simon Greenleaf, The Testimony of the Evangelists: The Gospels Examined for the Rules of Evidence)
"It was IMPOSSIBLE that the apostles could have persisted in affirming the truths they had narrated, had not JESUS CHRIST ACTUALLY RISEN FROM THE DEAD, . . ."
(Simon Greenleaf, An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice, p.29.)
And the lawyer in the Guinness Book of Records or Guinness World Records who won 245 cases in a row said the case for the life, death, burial, resurrection and deity of Jesus is the best evidenced case he has eve seen.
otis29 (http://www.meetandplay.com/Profile/View/2640/otis29) gets in on the act and writes,
"Someone was just waiting for an opening. Way to go tonyh and Hilario! ;)"
To which I replied (the moderator hid this post also but nobody else's post),
"I love these openings, no matter how disingenuous they may be, to spread the gospel of salvation earnestly and sincerely. While others joke and prod, I lay down the truth, for the way, the truth and the life shall set you free Whom there is no other name under heaven by which one can be saved. The only way to God the Father is through God the Son by God the Spirit. And unless you confess Him before others Who He truly is, He says He will deny you before the Father in heaven. If you are ashamed of Him, certainly He will be ashamed of you. You have received sufficient grace to have the free choice to give your allegiance to your Creator."
It was at this point the moderator banned me. The truth hit him where his heart is. There were many other crass and denigrating comments which the moderator left up which I won't dignify by quoting.
hilario finishes with,
"As much as you want to make this a discussion about religion and your views on the subject this isn't the forum to do so. There are plenty of other forums for Christian apologetics elsewhere on the web. So for the sake of our discussion about RACQUETBALL leave your proselytism for a more appropriate arena."
I was discriminated against by being banned from Meet and Play Forums which is discrimination and was a doublestandard (see next post for analysis).
reid (http://www.meetandplay.com/Profile/View/6/reid) writes, in response to my comment top Canadian racquetball players finding it harder to get sponsored on the US IRT pro tour,
"I thought the most adversity Canadians had to go through, was the moose on the way to their snowmobiles? I've seen that TV show When Animals Attack."
I respond by saying,
"The most adversity we Canadian racquetball players go through is being banned from the Alberta Racquetball Association for life by John Halko and Barbara May (http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/ARA_Barb_May.htm) for standing up against unrighteousness when Barb lied to protect her hide, I exposed her, and thus was banned by her abuse of power. Do you think that upset them when I came out of hiatus after 3 years at the age of 45 and beat the #9 ranked player in Canada in the 2012 Saskatchewan Open (http://www.r2sports.com/tourney/drawsOut/drawOut.asp?divID=2&combinedID=0&TID=10357&chatRoomUserID=&link=../drawsOut/drawOut.asp)a tournament outside of Alberta?"
Without my even mentioning anything about Christianity, tonyh accuses and brings up Christianity saying, "Full of vengance. Doesn't come across as truly Christian."
tonyh (http://www.meetandplay.com/Profile/View/109/tonyh) then writes,
Judge ye not Troy.
Four years and you obviously still haven't forgotten.
wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, and gluttony.
How many you covering in this thread?
And you ARE a bait-eater and retaliator.
Jesus sobs.
Phony christians are a dime a dozen. Get even it's what Satan wants."
We see tony has some angst against my faith. Pointing out the evil doings of John Halko and Barbara is exposing evil behavior not vengeance. Vengeance would be like when someone does something wrong and you expose him or her (http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/ARA_Barb_May.htm), but they turn around and instead of repenting try to restrict you and ban you. We got word the Mayfield Athletic Club in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada is being closed down that shows God's judgment a month after they got me banned from this club in 2012.
As for mentioning the fact that Manny Gregorio has not beaten me in a single game of racquetball in 25 years was not to brag but to show that since he was the highest ranked player at racquetball in Canada from Edmonton at 67th (http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/unholytrinityinracquetball.htm) this indicates the poor showing of Edmonton Racquetball for high rankings in Canada. This poor showing was a judgment upon Edmonton Racquetball and the Alberta Racquetball Association, namely John Halko and Barbara May.
We also have no juniors from Edmonton in the top 100 in Canada either which does not bode well for future racquetball in my beloved city. For example, when I was 17 years old (1985) I played in just 3 tournaments and won them (Alberta Juniors in Calgary, Men's B in Prince Albert, and Men's B in Medicine Hat), and as a result, I was already ranked 35th in Canada. Racquetball was far more popular back then. I am sure other juniors could have done better than me if they had the support today, but Barbara May and John Halko who are both not Christians are hellbent on discriminating against a Christian, namely myself. They have actually prevented me from starting up a tournament, from playing in tournaments in Alberta and developing juniors. As of the last ranking update, Dec. 11, 2012 I am now ranked 34th in Canada. I started playing racquetball again this year after taking 3 years off.
I see the connection between their antichrist behavior, attempting to fabricate lies, discriminating against a Christian, lying to protect their hide (http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/ARA_Barb_May.htm) and the closing of the Mayfield Athletic Club (which John Halko plays at) and racquetball's poor showing in Edmonton. Unrighteousness has its consequences.
So I respond on page 3 simply with the truth (http://www.meetandplay.com/Thread/View/17679?page=3)...
I am just trying to be real. Don't do Satan's bidding. Don't be a pawn of Satan.
People abuse Matt. 7.1 all the time to rationalize their flesh by leaving out the following verse. What does it really say? "Judge ye not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again" (Matt. 7.1,2). I am not guilty of the same action of injustice since I like to treat others as I would like to be treated: I don't lie to protect my hide as Barbara May did. I don't do a 180 on people. I am not jealous of losing to players I never beat or can't beat. I don't protect those who lied to defend their hide as John Halko did. I don't ban people to misdirect off myself as John Halko and Barbara May did. I expose evil.
God has not forgotten (news the Mayfield Athletic Club in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada-the club Kane grew up in-will be closed down permanently one month after Barbara May and John Halko got me banned me from this club) but we who are in Christ keep forgiving our accusers even though God keeps judging like He did to the Pharaoh plague after plague.
Jesus said, "Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you [from their company], and shall reproach [you], and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake" (Luke 6.22).
Thank you Jesus.
"And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night" (Rev. 12.10)
Satan is the great false accuser who has no evidence for his false accusations just has hatred of the saints, God's children, chosen before the foundations of the world.
hilario (http://www.meetandplay.com/Profile/View/115/Hilario) comes back with,
"Parture, save the homily for Sunday. You were doing so good staying on topic. Now you're just corrupting this thread with irrationality and superstition."
I respond (moderator makes it hidden by doesn't hide any comments from hilario or tonyh),
Since you are self-acclaimed as so infinitely rational and not superstitious then I am sure you can explain to the avid reader how the universe came into being since that which exists needs a cause, can't come from nothing (that which does not exist can't cause anything), and can't always have existed since you would have happened already having had an eternity to do so if infinite regress were true. Contrawise, you would have never existed because an alleged past eternity would still be going on to never reach this point in time. Any theory you propose can't contradict itself.
Furthermore, the burden is also on you to find a naturalistic explanation to account for the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles multiply attested to in various group settings as well documented as anything in antiquity. Jesus has more sources written about him within 150 years of his death than any ten popular figures combined from antiquity. People don't willingly die for what they know is a lie; all the eyewitness Apostles were martyred except John though John was almost put to death several times. They were martyred and did not change their testimony. The DSM-4 Psychology Manual says there is no such thing as group hallucinations. The Swoon Theory fails since He would not look much like a risen Messiah all tattered and torn, scourged down to the bone.
There is this little thing called "evidence" and "burden of proof". (http://biblocality.com/forums/list.php?category/78-Simon-Greenleaf) The burden is on you according to the law.
Royal Professor of Law at Harvard, Simon Greenleaf, was considered to be the greatest expert of evidence the world had ever known. The Supreme Justice of the Supreme Court said that Greenleaf's testimony is the most basic and compelling testimony that can be accepted in any English speaking court in the world. When Greenleaf spoke, that settled the matter. He was far and away the most knowledgeable person on evidence the world had ever known. The London Times said that more light on jurisprudence had come from Greenleaf than all the jurists of Europe combined.
Greenleaf had one inviolable principle in his classrooms at Harvard, and that was, you never make up your mind about any significant matter without first considering the evidence. Greenleaf was not a Christian. When challenged by one of his students with this principle, he admitted that he had not considered the evidence. When he did, he became a Christian: believed in the deity, death and resurrection of Jesus.
After examining every thread of information he could find he said in his book, The Testimony of the Evangelists: The Gospels Examined for the Rules of Evidence, that if any unbiased jury in the world considered the evidence for the resurrection of Christ, they would have to conclude that Jesus of Nazareth actually rose from the dead.
And so he became a believer that Jesus was God and was converted. He wrote, "In requiring this candor and simplicity of mind, and those who would investigate the truth of our religion..." He sees that Christianity is, in fact, the only evidential historical religion in the world, and the whole things rests upon evidence which he finds so compelling and so overwhelming that any honest person with an open mind examining the evidence would be like himself inescapably drawn to accept it. And so he sets forth his first rule of legal evidence and for any other ancient document.
"Every document apparently ancient coming from the proper repository or custody and bearing on its face no evident marks of forgery, the law presumes to be genuine and devolves on the opposing party the burden of proving it to be otherwise."
"This ancient document, the Scripture, has come from the proper repository, that is, it is has been in the hands of the persons of the Church for 2000 years almost and it bears on its face no evident marks of forgery, and therefore the law presumes it to be genuine, and those who would presume otherwise upon them devolves the responsibility of proving it to be false. We don't have to prove it to be true. They have to prove it to be false. That's what the law says."
(Simon Greenleaf, The Testimony of the Evangelists: The Gospels Examined for the Rules of Evidence)
"It was IMPOSSIBLE that the apostles could have persisted in affirming the truths they had narrated, had not JESUS CHRIST ACTUALLY RISEN FROM THE DEAD, . . ."
(Simon Greenleaf, An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice, p.29.)
And the lawyer in the Guinness Book of Records or Guinness World Records who won 245 cases in a row said the case for the life, death, burial, resurrection and deity of Jesus is the best evidenced case he has eve seen.
otis29 (http://www.meetandplay.com/Profile/View/2640/otis29) gets in on the act and writes,
"Someone was just waiting for an opening. Way to go tonyh and Hilario! ;)"
To which I replied (the moderator hid this post also but nobody else's post),
"I love these openings, no matter how disingenuous they may be, to spread the gospel of salvation earnestly and sincerely. While others joke and prod, I lay down the truth, for the way, the truth and the life shall set you free Whom there is no other name under heaven by which one can be saved. The only way to God the Father is through God the Son by God the Spirit. And unless you confess Him before others Who He truly is, He says He will deny you before the Father in heaven. If you are ashamed of Him, certainly He will be ashamed of you. You have received sufficient grace to have the free choice to give your allegiance to your Creator."
It was at this point the moderator banned me. The truth hit him where his heart is. There were many other crass and denigrating comments which the moderator left up which I won't dignify by quoting.
hilario finishes with,
"As much as you want to make this a discussion about religion and your views on the subject this isn't the forum to do so. There are plenty of other forums for Christian apologetics elsewhere on the web. So for the sake of our discussion about RACQUETBALL leave your proselytism for a more appropriate arena."
I was discriminated against by being banned from Meet and Play Forums which is discrimination and was a doublestandard (see next post for analysis).