Parture
11-18-2010, 01:45 AM
Re: fowzie777
http://www.youtube.com/user/fowzie777
first - God being uncreated has nothing to do with the trinity
"Who, being in the form of God [fulness of the Godhead bodily], thought it not robbery to be equal with God" (Phil. 2.6). Since God the Father is uncreated and to be equal with the Father is uncreated, then Jesus is the 2nd Person of the Trinity and uncreated.
second - the disciples did not believe in the trinity.
John said, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (John 1.1). For Jesus Christ to be with God and to be God requires the Godhead be a Trinity. “...without Him [Jesus] nothing was made that was made” (V.3). Though the universe requires the Father to create, to say Jesus is required to create before the foundations of the world is conceding the Trinity.
third - Jesus never said He created everything with the Father and the Spirit
Jesus said, "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was..." (John 17.5,18). "I and the Father are one" being (John 10.30).
Jesus HAS a God. the Father does not.This refers to obedience not to who is uncreated. Jesus "made emptied himself, and took upon him the form of a servant" (Phil. 2.7) in perfect obedience to the Father so that "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow" (v.10). For the Son of God to empty Himself scholars say is to "limit Himself of His independent divine attributes" in order to be in the "likeness f men" and "in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh" (Rom. 8.3).
Jesus came forth FROM the Father.He came from the Father because He agreed with the Father before the foundations of the world He would pay for the sins of mankind by "the death of the cross" (Phil. 2.8). It was neither the Father nor the Spirit that was "in the likeness of men" (v.7) but the Son of God as we know since it was He who spent three and a half years with the disciples.
Jesus said the Father was greater than He.More obedience. This does not conflict with the fact that Jesus said He is God in forgiving sins of mankind which only He could do if He is God.
Jesus derives His power and authority FROM the Father.Because He is perfectly obedient to God as only God could be.
Jesus is the IMAGE of God. you cannot be the image of yourself.You are the image of God too. We are all made in the image of God, but Jesus "who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God" (Phil. 2.6). If you claimed you were in the form of or equal with God it would be robbery.
there is no council of the Godhead mentioned in scripture.In Genesis 1.26 ("And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness") is the creative work of the Lord Jesus (who is the Word). We witness in Genesis 1 how the triune God worked together in creating. "God," "God said," and "the Spirit of God"—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—were all present.
http://www.youtube.com/user/fowzie777
first - God being uncreated has nothing to do with the trinity
"Who, being in the form of God [fulness of the Godhead bodily], thought it not robbery to be equal with God" (Phil. 2.6). Since God the Father is uncreated and to be equal with the Father is uncreated, then Jesus is the 2nd Person of the Trinity and uncreated.
second - the disciples did not believe in the trinity.
John said, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (John 1.1). For Jesus Christ to be with God and to be God requires the Godhead be a Trinity. “...without Him [Jesus] nothing was made that was made” (V.3). Though the universe requires the Father to create, to say Jesus is required to create before the foundations of the world is conceding the Trinity.
third - Jesus never said He created everything with the Father and the Spirit
Jesus said, "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was..." (John 17.5,18). "I and the Father are one" being (John 10.30).
Jesus HAS a God. the Father does not.This refers to obedience not to who is uncreated. Jesus "made emptied himself, and took upon him the form of a servant" (Phil. 2.7) in perfect obedience to the Father so that "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow" (v.10). For the Son of God to empty Himself scholars say is to "limit Himself of His independent divine attributes" in order to be in the "likeness f men" and "in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh" (Rom. 8.3).
Jesus came forth FROM the Father.He came from the Father because He agreed with the Father before the foundations of the world He would pay for the sins of mankind by "the death of the cross" (Phil. 2.8). It was neither the Father nor the Spirit that was "in the likeness of men" (v.7) but the Son of God as we know since it was He who spent three and a half years with the disciples.
Jesus said the Father was greater than He.More obedience. This does not conflict with the fact that Jesus said He is God in forgiving sins of mankind which only He could do if He is God.
Jesus derives His power and authority FROM the Father.Because He is perfectly obedient to God as only God could be.
Jesus is the IMAGE of God. you cannot be the image of yourself.You are the image of God too. We are all made in the image of God, but Jesus "who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God" (Phil. 2.6). If you claimed you were in the form of or equal with God it would be robbery.
there is no council of the Godhead mentioned in scripture.In Genesis 1.26 ("And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness") is the creative work of the Lord Jesus (who is the Word). We witness in Genesis 1 how the triune God worked together in creating. "God," "God said," and "the Spirit of God"—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—were all present.