everstill
07-23-2009, 06:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h51YwIMxtrQ&feature=related
Conclusions:
1) Jesus really believed He was God-the uncreated Creator.
Luke 20.1-21 - Parable of the vineyard. He is the chief cornerstone.
Matth. 11.27 - Jesus is the only revelation and revealer of God because He is God.
John 1.18 - Jesus is the only begotten (revealed) God (in the earliest manuscripts that we have) which means always existing and co-equal with the Father for only Jesus has seen the Father.
Mark 13.32 - Jesus puts Himself right up there with God the Father as Jesus Himself is in the Godhead which He is the fulness of the Bible says (Col 2.9). That would be lonely if He were not the fulness of the Godhead bodily and not in the Trinity. Muslims have a lonely singular god. Christians have a God who has diversity in His unity (http://biblocality.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2569), or you could say, unity in His diversity. He is never lonely in the eternity of the past even before time began.
Luke 7.49 "Who is this that forgiveth sins also?" This is a co-equal claim to being in the Trinity. Forgiving sins in Jewish context is only every done by God. Jesus was doing it not explaining that the Father was doing it.
John 20.28 - And Thomas answered and said unto him, "My Lord and my God" which in the Greek New Testament reads, "the God of me and the Lord of Me" ascribed to Jesus.
2) The origin of the beliefs of the disciples come from the resurrection appearances.
This is God's divine vindication of Jesus.
3) You can't save yourself. God has to pay for your sins on the cross. The reason people don't accept this is because they are arrogant in their own selves they can come to God without His atoning sacrifice.
Islam is morally inadequate because the god of Islam is unwilling to pay for the sins of mankind; whosoever is willing receive God's offer of redemption. You must have righteous deeds, or at least a prerequisite of righteous deeds, to get into heaven according to Islam, but no man is good enough. There is not a single NT scholar who claims Jesus did not die on the cross.
Conclusions:
1) Jesus really believed He was God-the uncreated Creator.
Luke 20.1-21 - Parable of the vineyard. He is the chief cornerstone.
Matth. 11.27 - Jesus is the only revelation and revealer of God because He is God.
John 1.18 - Jesus is the only begotten (revealed) God (in the earliest manuscripts that we have) which means always existing and co-equal with the Father for only Jesus has seen the Father.
Mark 13.32 - Jesus puts Himself right up there with God the Father as Jesus Himself is in the Godhead which He is the fulness of the Bible says (Col 2.9). That would be lonely if He were not the fulness of the Godhead bodily and not in the Trinity. Muslims have a lonely singular god. Christians have a God who has diversity in His unity (http://biblocality.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2569), or you could say, unity in His diversity. He is never lonely in the eternity of the past even before time began.
Luke 7.49 "Who is this that forgiveth sins also?" This is a co-equal claim to being in the Trinity. Forgiving sins in Jewish context is only every done by God. Jesus was doing it not explaining that the Father was doing it.
John 20.28 - And Thomas answered and said unto him, "My Lord and my God" which in the Greek New Testament reads, "the God of me and the Lord of Me" ascribed to Jesus.
2) The origin of the beliefs of the disciples come from the resurrection appearances.
This is God's divine vindication of Jesus.
3) You can't save yourself. God has to pay for your sins on the cross. The reason people don't accept this is because they are arrogant in their own selves they can come to God without His atoning sacrifice.
Islam is morally inadequate because the god of Islam is unwilling to pay for the sins of mankind; whosoever is willing receive God's offer of redemption. You must have righteous deeds, or at least a prerequisite of righteous deeds, to get into heaven according to Islam, but no man is good enough. There is not a single NT scholar who claims Jesus did not die on the cross.