Churchwork
07-18-2009, 08:52 AM
Unbeliever: God is a mythical creation of man to explain what could not at his invention be explained, and has since become out-dated and useless with the advent of scientific knowledge.
Believer: Scientific knowledge tells me there is a preponderance of evidence that everything in nature has a cause, so all things in the universe have a cause especially the first event. Therefore, since nature can't cause itself or happen all by itself, logically and scientifically we are left with only one known possibility available to us-the uncreated created. Therefore, denying the existence of the uncreated creator is but a mythical illusory daydream.
It gives me great comfort knowing though people are delusional God is in control of all things and knows every hair on my head and works all things for our good. It would seem based on the evidence God is just as much if not needed more today than ever before, because of increasing complexity.
What's Illusory? God or a Magical Universe (http://biblocality.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3105)
Unbeliever: I do believe there is something out there, but I don't know what it is. I also feel there is no way of knowing without passing from this life. I also firmly believe that the Bible is not the word of God but only the word of man. This goes for any other holy scripture in exsitence. I do respect others beliefs and normally wouldn't go out of my way to debate that.
Believer: A personal God who reveals Himself in His creation is far better that one who doesn't. But where does He reveal Himself? Did He give us a sure fire proof? Of course.
Paul said in 1 Cor. 15, Gal. 1 & 2 he met with Peter, James and John who told him they had seen Jesus alive from the dead physically and Paul replied, he had seen Jesus also alive from the dead though not physically (since Jesus had been taken up at that time).
They testified they had seen the risen Lord in various different group settings (12 groups mentioned in Scripture (http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/12groups.htm)) and the church fathers document the martyrdom of the original Apostles.
How is this a proof? Just because Jesus said the proof would be the sign of Jonah in the belly of a whale for 3 days and He would tear down His temple and raise it on the 3rd day, this is not enough. He actually has to prove it. How?
If the Apostles were lying, how do you explain they went to their deaths as martyrs for the claim seeing Jesus resurrected, for people don't die for something they know is a lie and it was not based on a belief, but their eyewitnessing Jesus resurrected.
Could group hallucinations account for the appearances? Since there are no cases in history of group hallucinations and modern psychology doesn't have any documented cases then it appears since we can find no naturalistic explanation, Jesus must be God as proven by His resurrection.
That has serious implications, don't you think (http://biblocality.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3106)?
Soften your heart with some spiritual Christian music (http://biblocality.com/forums/mp3playerindex.php?do=viewmp3playerpopup) and videos (http://biblocality.com/videos.html).
Watch the 4 Step Proof for God video (http://www.youtube.com/user/Parture#play/uploads/5/SjpWMm_XTe4) (in 3 minutes).
Believer: Scientific knowledge tells me there is a preponderance of evidence that everything in nature has a cause, so all things in the universe have a cause especially the first event. Therefore, since nature can't cause itself or happen all by itself, logically and scientifically we are left with only one known possibility available to us-the uncreated created. Therefore, denying the existence of the uncreated creator is but a mythical illusory daydream.
It gives me great comfort knowing though people are delusional God is in control of all things and knows every hair on my head and works all things for our good. It would seem based on the evidence God is just as much if not needed more today than ever before, because of increasing complexity.
What's Illusory? God or a Magical Universe (http://biblocality.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3105)
Unbeliever: I do believe there is something out there, but I don't know what it is. I also feel there is no way of knowing without passing from this life. I also firmly believe that the Bible is not the word of God but only the word of man. This goes for any other holy scripture in exsitence. I do respect others beliefs and normally wouldn't go out of my way to debate that.
Believer: A personal God who reveals Himself in His creation is far better that one who doesn't. But where does He reveal Himself? Did He give us a sure fire proof? Of course.
Paul said in 1 Cor. 15, Gal. 1 & 2 he met with Peter, James and John who told him they had seen Jesus alive from the dead physically and Paul replied, he had seen Jesus also alive from the dead though not physically (since Jesus had been taken up at that time).
They testified they had seen the risen Lord in various different group settings (12 groups mentioned in Scripture (http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/12groups.htm)) and the church fathers document the martyrdom of the original Apostles.
How is this a proof? Just because Jesus said the proof would be the sign of Jonah in the belly of a whale for 3 days and He would tear down His temple and raise it on the 3rd day, this is not enough. He actually has to prove it. How?
If the Apostles were lying, how do you explain they went to their deaths as martyrs for the claim seeing Jesus resurrected, for people don't die for something they know is a lie and it was not based on a belief, but their eyewitnessing Jesus resurrected.
Could group hallucinations account for the appearances? Since there are no cases in history of group hallucinations and modern psychology doesn't have any documented cases then it appears since we can find no naturalistic explanation, Jesus must be God as proven by His resurrection.
That has serious implications, don't you think (http://biblocality.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3106)?
Soften your heart with some spiritual Christian music (http://biblocality.com/forums/mp3playerindex.php?do=viewmp3playerpopup) and videos (http://biblocality.com/videos.html).
Watch the 4 Step Proof for God video (http://www.youtube.com/user/Parture#play/uploads/5/SjpWMm_XTe4) (in 3 minutes).