Churchwork
03-19-2009, 10:25 PM
It's completely erroneous to claim God is schizoid having two wills to try to reconcile God wanting everyone to be saved but then not providing the means of salvation to everyone, whosoever is willing.
Though there may not be much difference in terms of world ensembles and God actualizing the one that saves the most and damns the least (according to Molinism and Middle Knowledge-see my final comment below about this), nonetheless, the god of calvinism is most heinous because he doesn't do all he can to provide salvation for everyone, for he does not give some the opportunity and coerces others allegedly totally depraved into accepting him without having a choice in the matter through irresistible grace.
What love is this? What gospel is this to say God died not for all? What love is this to give people false hope who according to calvinism are reprobated for hell without recourse?
It's not so much the actualized world (to reconcile God's infinite foreknowledge with free-will which calvinists don't have to do, because it is all premeditated not giving man the choice after or before he is totally depraved, depending on what kind of calvinist you are), but God's attitude in the process. The Bible says we shall know them by their fruit, for there are many false Christians out there worshiping false Christs with a false gospel and a false salvation.
Let us continue to pray for the calvinists to stop misrepresenting God of the Bible and to even give their lives to Christ, but this requires their repentance from calvinism. Without true repentance and belief in Christ before regeneration, how shall they be saved? To merely assume, by their own free-will, they were selected (and often can't even remember their alleged regeneration date so they vainly in their human depravity make it up they were selected) without repentance by their choice afforded to them by God's enabling grace, they are not one iota saved. It is most strange to deny free-will (true free-will unimposed) at the same time to employ that very same will to deny God's way of salvation.
I must state this clear fact as plainly as can be: a calvinist, though he may try to use Molinism, in the nuances you will still find it to be not actual Molinism and Middle Knowledge, because in the way the calvinist tries to use it, he will inevitably slip up because he misrepresents God's desire and will (e.g. two will theory). A discerning Christian will pick up on this.
I have a friend, Darryl, who put it best. We may not always know the details and even why something is wrong, but the Holy Spirit moves in us to tell us something is not right about calvinists or whatever. You may only have just a word to go on or some small intuitive sense, but it is enough to know something is very wrong in the state of Denmark. As time goes on, add to your spiritual discernment spiritual words as you gather additional information. Amen.
Though there may not be much difference in terms of world ensembles and God actualizing the one that saves the most and damns the least (according to Molinism and Middle Knowledge-see my final comment below about this), nonetheless, the god of calvinism is most heinous because he doesn't do all he can to provide salvation for everyone, for he does not give some the opportunity and coerces others allegedly totally depraved into accepting him without having a choice in the matter through irresistible grace.
What love is this? What gospel is this to say God died not for all? What love is this to give people false hope who according to calvinism are reprobated for hell without recourse?
It's not so much the actualized world (to reconcile God's infinite foreknowledge with free-will which calvinists don't have to do, because it is all premeditated not giving man the choice after or before he is totally depraved, depending on what kind of calvinist you are), but God's attitude in the process. The Bible says we shall know them by their fruit, for there are many false Christians out there worshiping false Christs with a false gospel and a false salvation.
Let us continue to pray for the calvinists to stop misrepresenting God of the Bible and to even give their lives to Christ, but this requires their repentance from calvinism. Without true repentance and belief in Christ before regeneration, how shall they be saved? To merely assume, by their own free-will, they were selected (and often can't even remember their alleged regeneration date so they vainly in their human depravity make it up they were selected) without repentance by their choice afforded to them by God's enabling grace, they are not one iota saved. It is most strange to deny free-will (true free-will unimposed) at the same time to employ that very same will to deny God's way of salvation.
I must state this clear fact as plainly as can be: a calvinist, though he may try to use Molinism, in the nuances you will still find it to be not actual Molinism and Middle Knowledge, because in the way the calvinist tries to use it, he will inevitably slip up because he misrepresents God's desire and will (e.g. two will theory). A discerning Christian will pick up on this.
I have a friend, Darryl, who put it best. We may not always know the details and even why something is wrong, but the Holy Spirit moves in us to tell us something is not right about calvinists or whatever. You may only have just a word to go on or some small intuitive sense, but it is enough to know something is very wrong in the state of Denmark. As time goes on, add to your spiritual discernment spiritual words as you gather additional information. Amen.