Churchwork
01-01-2007, 09:13 PM
Ossai,
Really? What were the studies? Is the raw data available? If they are based on actual estimates, then at least show where you got the population numbers from.
This I leave you to investigate. Just know the murder rate per capita is falling every century, no longer do we throw children in the fiery mouth of the god of Molech. You can even see the exponential progression in our conscience (http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/perfectproof.htm) and God's common grace in things like how boxing is not fist-a-cuffs, but in boxing today gloves are worn even in UFC. Speed limits on highways are lower, and we ban smoking in most places. There are many more examples.
1. Jesus was not the first and only resurrection claimed. There are a number of other resurrections, prior to Jesus, listed in the bible, both OT and NT. If you go outside the bible, there are plenty of other resurrection stories in various other religions.
Jesus' was the first resurrection claim of any worthy consideration, multiply attested and with enough credible support and evidence in being documented and prophesied in religio-historical context. There is no other resurrections in the Bible prior to Jesus' resurrection that Jesus didn't get involved in Himself in effecting. The more substantial resurrection events came after Jesus was resurrected, but they too lack in one or more of these aspects, therefore, they are considered of no account. Gary Habermas, the leading scholar on the resurrection, has documented all known accounts of resurrections. See The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus, by Gary R. Habermas.
2. If, as you seem to claim, the earth is only a few thousands years old, then Jehovah is a liar and a deceiver.
Since I have never said any such claim, then you would be overassuming. I know the universe is at least 13.7 billion years old and the earth is several billion years old as well. Understand the gap restoration (http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/mystery.htm) taught in the Bible.
3. The whole Garden of Eden bit is called entrapment. Kind of like handing a loaded gun with no safety to a two year old.
Not at all. There really was a first man and a first woman made in God's image with a spirit of God-consciousness and authentic free-will. All they needed to do was simply remain obedient. They did not need to known the many things we know now. Simple obedience is the simplest of things.
4. The Noaharcian flood did not happen. There is no evidence of it and literally mountains of evidence proclaiming it the steaming pile that it is.
There has been enough evidence found to prove that Noah's flood was a local flood. See the Miracles of Exodus where Colin J. Humphrey's touches on this in Genesis. We know where the earth has given way to create the local flood.
5. Jesus didn’t actually bother to fulfill the messianic prophecies and is even directly exempt from claiming direct decent from David as per YHWH’s direct order and command. Thus without direct Davidic decent, even with the claim of second coming, Jesus cannot be the messiah.
Jesus fulfilled 62 prophecies from the Old Testament about the Messiah. He was directly in the line of David as well. The Bible shows that line. The second coming has not happened yet. It comes when the Church has fulfilled certain conditions in this dispensation of the age of grace.
6. If you would actually bother to read Paul, you would notice that Paul was preaching a very gnosis version of Christianity. Actually, if you would bother reading some contextual history, you may even learn that Paul basically took a moderate Jewish movement and transformed it into Hellenistic Christ cult.
There is nothing in Paul's writings to suggest any gnosis. There is nothing in Christianity or of what Paul wrote that was hellenistic, so what we find in Paul's writings and all the Word of God is that it is very independent and being led by the Holy Spirit in providing the complete Word of God in 66 books.
You’ll also notice that from that point to the end of the book, Jesus is mentioned but his teachings seem to be strangely absent and the writers seem more interested in laying down rules and expanding their powerbase.
Ossai
At the end of the Bible is the book of Revelation. This is righteously what will happen according to God's will and to reward believers who have eternal life. Judgment will come upon the unsaved, Satan, Antichrist and False Prophet. Hell awaits you. :swoon:
To understand end-times in detail, study partial rapture (http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/Nee_on_rapture.htm).
Really? What were the studies? Is the raw data available? If they are based on actual estimates, then at least show where you got the population numbers from.
This I leave you to investigate. Just know the murder rate per capita is falling every century, no longer do we throw children in the fiery mouth of the god of Molech. You can even see the exponential progression in our conscience (http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/perfectproof.htm) and God's common grace in things like how boxing is not fist-a-cuffs, but in boxing today gloves are worn even in UFC. Speed limits on highways are lower, and we ban smoking in most places. There are many more examples.
1. Jesus was not the first and only resurrection claimed. There are a number of other resurrections, prior to Jesus, listed in the bible, both OT and NT. If you go outside the bible, there are plenty of other resurrection stories in various other religions.
Jesus' was the first resurrection claim of any worthy consideration, multiply attested and with enough credible support and evidence in being documented and prophesied in religio-historical context. There is no other resurrections in the Bible prior to Jesus' resurrection that Jesus didn't get involved in Himself in effecting. The more substantial resurrection events came after Jesus was resurrected, but they too lack in one or more of these aspects, therefore, they are considered of no account. Gary Habermas, the leading scholar on the resurrection, has documented all known accounts of resurrections. See The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus, by Gary R. Habermas.
2. If, as you seem to claim, the earth is only a few thousands years old, then Jehovah is a liar and a deceiver.
Since I have never said any such claim, then you would be overassuming. I know the universe is at least 13.7 billion years old and the earth is several billion years old as well. Understand the gap restoration (http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/mystery.htm) taught in the Bible.
3. The whole Garden of Eden bit is called entrapment. Kind of like handing a loaded gun with no safety to a two year old.
Not at all. There really was a first man and a first woman made in God's image with a spirit of God-consciousness and authentic free-will. All they needed to do was simply remain obedient. They did not need to known the many things we know now. Simple obedience is the simplest of things.
4. The Noaharcian flood did not happen. There is no evidence of it and literally mountains of evidence proclaiming it the steaming pile that it is.
There has been enough evidence found to prove that Noah's flood was a local flood. See the Miracles of Exodus where Colin J. Humphrey's touches on this in Genesis. We know where the earth has given way to create the local flood.
5. Jesus didn’t actually bother to fulfill the messianic prophecies and is even directly exempt from claiming direct decent from David as per YHWH’s direct order and command. Thus without direct Davidic decent, even with the claim of second coming, Jesus cannot be the messiah.
Jesus fulfilled 62 prophecies from the Old Testament about the Messiah. He was directly in the line of David as well. The Bible shows that line. The second coming has not happened yet. It comes when the Church has fulfilled certain conditions in this dispensation of the age of grace.
6. If you would actually bother to read Paul, you would notice that Paul was preaching a very gnosis version of Christianity. Actually, if you would bother reading some contextual history, you may even learn that Paul basically took a moderate Jewish movement and transformed it into Hellenistic Christ cult.
There is nothing in Paul's writings to suggest any gnosis. There is nothing in Christianity or of what Paul wrote that was hellenistic, so what we find in Paul's writings and all the Word of God is that it is very independent and being led by the Holy Spirit in providing the complete Word of God in 66 books.
You’ll also notice that from that point to the end of the book, Jesus is mentioned but his teachings seem to be strangely absent and the writers seem more interested in laying down rules and expanding their powerbase.
Ossai
At the end of the Bible is the book of Revelation. This is righteously what will happen according to God's will and to reward believers who have eternal life. Judgment will come upon the unsaved, Satan, Antichrist and False Prophet. Hell awaits you. :swoon:
To understand end-times in detail, study partial rapture (http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/Nee_on_rapture.htm).