Churchwork
12-23-2006, 06:34 AM
1) In chapters of the Bible you do accept, these awesome verses Paul said he saw Jesus, His "appearance," "the man" the others with him did not see, and he includes himself with those who he said saw Jesus resurrected. He clearly teaches a bodily resurrection in agreement when he said he met with the apostles early on, including James, John and Peter who taught the same. This harmonizes the Word using just the minimal facts approach of those things in Scripture that most scholars agree upon.
2) Since nothing in nature happens all by itself and we still sin showing the universe has not been eternally existing for our body of dust (Gen. 2.7), then the universe cannot cause itself, but was caused by something outside of nature. Ergo, the ultimate cause must be uncaused or uncreated as hard as it is to fathom for the mind's limitedness. Who in all that we know fulfills this condition?
- who said He is God,
- who said He would be resurrected in religio-historical context in the greatest truth ever known,
- who is the prophesied Messiah of the OT,
- who was seen by multiple attestation in various group settings of His resurrection against all expectations and we have no reason for why the disciples would not tell the truth,
- and we are told the reason for God doing this: because we are fallen from grace, headed for the second death (an eternal separtion from God), thus in need of the sinless sacrifice for forgiveness so as to be made presentable to come before God. One who is unclean can never approach God for fellowship.
What does this mean for those who reject Christ? They must go to hell. Deep down inside that is what they want for themselves. They like the sin nature.
Be clear on this. The Proof has always been known. Moses knew it. Abraham knew it. And Abel knew it. What did they know? They knew what Adam knew, Cain knew and what Judas knew, except these latter three didn't care enough and preferred to self-exalt themselves above God.
Step 1 - If there had been an eternity of the past of causes and effects, we would have had an eternity to be perfected without sin, but since we still sin, we know there was not an eternity of the past of cause and effect. And thus we were created by God of the Bible, given Christ-none can compare! Psychological studies can be done to verify in just these past 6000 years the exponential progression of the conscience of mankind, that it will not take another 6000 years to reach sinlessness in the saved: e.g. God works in long transitions from the OT period of 4000 years to the dispensation of grace of 2000 years to the millennium of 1000 years. Each period exhibits a new grace. Did you notice anything special? This is an exponential progression. For example, we usually don't throw our children as sacrifices into the fiery mouth of the Molech-type god as many nations did in the past which Israel got rid of some. The only place you really see this today is in Islam, teaching their kids to be suicide mass-murderers. There are lots of examples: another is the murder rate per capita has continued to go down century after century.
Step 2 - Nothing in nature or time happens all by itself. It always has a cause. Therefore, since it must have a cause, always, we know God did it, given Christ. Don't let the cunning try to deceive you by saying what is true of Newtonian and Einsteinian Physics is not true of Quantum Physics just because of its complexity. That's called snake oil. You can catch a person in the act selling the snake oil when they desperately argue for their puff-the-magic-dragon stories, that it happens all by itself, lol.
Step 3 - If you wish to try to disprove this Proof, do not try to disprove some god, but keep your issues directed at God of the Bible-given Christ the Uncreated Creator.
Step 4 - Just as Step 1 treats the natural, there is also the supernatural, in which there could not have been an eternity of the past of cause and effects of gods creating gods; otherwise, you would have had an eternity to be perfected to be without sin. Ergo, God did it, given Christ.
All known queries, hundreds in fact, are answered in the details of the Proof itself. Conclusion: Most people are going to Hell because they want to. You're "without excuse" (Rom. 1.20). :wideeyed:
2) Since nothing in nature happens all by itself and we still sin showing the universe has not been eternally existing for our body of dust (Gen. 2.7), then the universe cannot cause itself, but was caused by something outside of nature. Ergo, the ultimate cause must be uncaused or uncreated as hard as it is to fathom for the mind's limitedness. Who in all that we know fulfills this condition?
- who said He is God,
- who said He would be resurrected in religio-historical context in the greatest truth ever known,
- who is the prophesied Messiah of the OT,
- who was seen by multiple attestation in various group settings of His resurrection against all expectations and we have no reason for why the disciples would not tell the truth,
- and we are told the reason for God doing this: because we are fallen from grace, headed for the second death (an eternal separtion from God), thus in need of the sinless sacrifice for forgiveness so as to be made presentable to come before God. One who is unclean can never approach God for fellowship.
What does this mean for those who reject Christ? They must go to hell. Deep down inside that is what they want for themselves. They like the sin nature.
Be clear on this. The Proof has always been known. Moses knew it. Abraham knew it. And Abel knew it. What did they know? They knew what Adam knew, Cain knew and what Judas knew, except these latter three didn't care enough and preferred to self-exalt themselves above God.
Step 1 - If there had been an eternity of the past of causes and effects, we would have had an eternity to be perfected without sin, but since we still sin, we know there was not an eternity of the past of cause and effect. And thus we were created by God of the Bible, given Christ-none can compare! Psychological studies can be done to verify in just these past 6000 years the exponential progression of the conscience of mankind, that it will not take another 6000 years to reach sinlessness in the saved: e.g. God works in long transitions from the OT period of 4000 years to the dispensation of grace of 2000 years to the millennium of 1000 years. Each period exhibits a new grace. Did you notice anything special? This is an exponential progression. For example, we usually don't throw our children as sacrifices into the fiery mouth of the Molech-type god as many nations did in the past which Israel got rid of some. The only place you really see this today is in Islam, teaching their kids to be suicide mass-murderers. There are lots of examples: another is the murder rate per capita has continued to go down century after century.
Step 2 - Nothing in nature or time happens all by itself. It always has a cause. Therefore, since it must have a cause, always, we know God did it, given Christ. Don't let the cunning try to deceive you by saying what is true of Newtonian and Einsteinian Physics is not true of Quantum Physics just because of its complexity. That's called snake oil. You can catch a person in the act selling the snake oil when they desperately argue for their puff-the-magic-dragon stories, that it happens all by itself, lol.
Step 3 - If you wish to try to disprove this Proof, do not try to disprove some god, but keep your issues directed at God of the Bible-given Christ the Uncreated Creator.
Step 4 - Just as Step 1 treats the natural, there is also the supernatural, in which there could not have been an eternity of the past of cause and effects of gods creating gods; otherwise, you would have had an eternity to be perfected to be without sin. Ergo, God did it, given Christ.
All known queries, hundreds in fact, are answered in the details of the Proof itself. Conclusion: Most people are going to Hell because they want to. You're "without excuse" (Rom. 1.20). :wideeyed: