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    People suggest that Jesus died on Wednesday, and after three days and three nights he was resurrected on Sunday, but this is not correct, because Luke say Jesus died on Friday and that Jesus was raised on the third day: Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

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    WHAT DAY DID JESUS DIE?

    Jesus did not die on Good Friday, bad Friday, or any other Friday. The truth of the whole matter is that the Lord Jesus died on a Wednesday. Let's turn to Matthew 12:40and notice Christ's own prophecy pertaining to His death burial and resurrection:

    "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly (or as it reads in the Hebrew-- in the sea monster's belly),so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

    There is no clearer truth in all the world than Jesus' own specific prophecy of His death, burial, and resurrection. Eleven different times the Bible mentions that our Lord would be dead “three days,” and He gave us this one specific type setting forth the exact length of time that not only would His flesh be in the grave, but His Soul and Spirit would be in the flames of Hades. He said that just as Jonah was ‘three days and three nights” in the belly of the fish, that He also would spend “three days and three nights in the heart of the earth”—Hades—paying our sin debt. Peter preaching in Jerusalem also testified to this fact:

    Acts 2:24,31“But God raised Him up again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it was impossible for Him to be held in its power….he [David] looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that HE WAS NEITHER ABANDONED TO HADES, NOR DID His flesh SUFFER DECAY.”

    If Jesus was crucified on Friday afternoon and was raised on Sunday morning as is commonly believed and taught, then His Word failed. He said that He would be dead “three days and three nights,” and you can't figure more than two nights from Friday afternoon to Sunday morning to save your life.

    Now, some of you are probably saying, "What difference does it make whether our Lord was crucified on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, or any other day?" Well, it makes all the difference in the world. The Bible teaches that Jesus spent “three days and three nights” in the “heart of the earth”. And it is necessary that we believe the Bible if we are Christians. We may not understand all of the Bible, but God expects us to believe it all because it is His Word. And we're to study all of the Bible, not just sections or portions or passages that we particularly like.

    Jesus fulfilled the type of Jonah. Jonah was in the belly of the fish for three days and three nights. That's what the Scripture says in Jonah 1:17. Jesus became the anti type of Jonah. Sometimes people say, "Didn't the Jews count part of a day as a whole day or part of a night as a whole night?" Whenever you have the expression "day and night" mentioned together in the Hebrew Scriptures, it always means a full day and a full night. I can give you several Scriptures along that line. For instance, if you will turn to Esther 4:16; I Samuel 30:12-13and, of course, Jonah 1:17, you will find the expression "three days and three nights." And in every instance it means full days and full nights--not part of a day and part of a night. You know, Jesus defined what a day is. If you will turn to John 11:9, you will find that our Lord said: "Are there not twelve hours in a day?" Well if there are 12 hours in a day, then there are 12 hours in a night. And so three days and three nights would have to be 72 hours. Anything shorter than 72 hours would not fulfill the type of Jonah or the words of our blessed Lord.

    THE RESURRECTION WAS NOT ON SUNDAY

    Another fallacy connected with Easter is that Christ supposedly arose on Sunday morning. The truth of the matter is that our Lord arose from the dead late on Saturday afternoon. Let me give you the Scripture:

    Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb while it was still dark, and saw the stone already taken away from the tomb. And so she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them. "They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him." Peter therefore went forth, and the other disciple, and they were going to the tomb. And the two were running together; and the other disciple ran ahead faster than Peter and came to the tomb first, and stooping and looking in, he saw the linen wrappings lying there, but he did not go in. Simon Peter therefore also came, following him, and entered the tomb; and he beheld the linen wrappings lying there, and the face cloth which had been on His head, not lying with the linen wrappings, but rolled up in a place by itself. So the other disciple who had first come to the tomb entered then also, and he saw and believed. For as yet they did not understand the Scripture, and that He must rise again from the dead. So the disciples went away again to their own homes.John 20: 1-10

    Now, please take note of two things. First, the tomb was already EMPTY when Mary Magdalene, alone, came to it. Second, Peter and John then visited the tomb also very late on Saturday just as Sunday was beginning. If we carefully consider each of the four Gospel accounts, one fact stands out beyond any question. When Mary Magdalene FIRST came to the tomb, Jesus was ALREADY GONE!

    Here we have the secret of the whole matter. Now, if Jesus rose from the dead just as Sunday was beginning, and the prophecy of Matthew 12:40said that Christ had to be in the heart of the earth “three days and three nights,” then it is perfectly obvious that our Lord was crucified on Wednesday and His body had to be placed in the tomb before 6 P.M. on that day. Then His body remained in the tomb through Thursday (night and day), Friday (night and day), and Saturday (night and day), and was raised from the dead just as (Jewish) Sunday was beginning, or what we now would call Saturday evening about 6 o’clock. This fulfilled the prophecy of Matthew 12:40. Now, remember that the Jewish day always began at sundown, at about 6 P.M. Our day begins at midnight, but the Jewish day began at sunset. In Leviticus 23:32 the Lord said:

    "From evening until evening you shall keep your Sabbath."

    Please keep in mind that Mary made two visits to the tomb. John records the first visit of Mary on Saturday evening, at the close of the Sabbath, with Peter and John soon arriving at the tomb just a little later after Mary had informed them of what had happened. Matthew, Mark, and Luke all record the second visit of the women with Mary the next morning, early Sunday morning, at sunrise. It is then they see the angels.

    WHEN WAS CHRIST CRUCIFIED?

    Next, we find that Christ did not die on Friday, but on Wednesday. We have already found that the resurrection took place late Saturday just as the new Jewish week was beginning. Well, if we go back three days and three nights, the length of time that our Lord was in the grave, we come to Wednesday afternoon. Wednesday is the only day on which our Lord could have been crucified. No other day will fit the known facts.

    Now let us see exactly when Christ was crucified. According to John 19:31 , our Lord was crucified on the Day of Preparation, that is, the preparation of the Jewish Passover. Notice,

    "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, (for the Sabbath day was a high day) besought Pilate that their legs would be broken, and that they might be taken away."

    The Passover always began on the l4th day of the Jewish month of Nisan (Leviticus 23:6), and the day following or the l5th, was always a High Day Sabbath. This was not the weekly 7th day Sabbath, but the annual Passover Sabbath. Please notice,

    “On the fourteenth day of the first month at evening is the Lord’s Passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of the unleavened bread unto the Lord; Seven days you must eat unleavened bread. In the first day (the fifteenth) you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no secular work therein.” Leviticus 23:5-7
    Thus it is fixed that this 15th day was ALWAYS a Sabbath regardless of the day of the week. This is the High Day Sabbath mentioned in John 19:31. Now the Scripture makes it plain that Christ was crucified on the day preceding this High Day Sabbath. This was called the PREPARATION DAY. Here it is in a "nutshell." Jesus ate the Passover in the first hours of Wednesday the l4th--just after 6 P.M. (We would call this Tuesday night.) Then He went to the Garden was arrested, tried, and the next day, crucified, still Wednesday the l4th.

    He was crucified on the same day in which He ate the Passover. Jesus, therefore, as the Lamb of God, died for our sins on the l4th day of the Jewish month of Nisan (which corresponds with our April.) This had to be on a Wednesday, if we go back three days and three nights from Saturday evening, the time when our Lord came out of the tomb.

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    This is not right what you said I don't think, "Peter and John then visited the tomb also very late on Saturday just as Sunday was beginning". This occured on Sunday when Mary went to find them in the morning which would seem more reasonable to start a new day not in the darkness of night. Mary did not make two visits. If she did, can you show it? This is why we celebrate Sunday, not Saturday.

    Jesus did die on Friday, which is the day of Prepartation. He rose on the 3rd day from Friday. He was in the heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights for He was captured on Thursday and His death sentence was that day effectively placing Him in the earth that day spiritually speaking. I don't think we should legalize by sayng 3 FULL days and 3 FULL nights. That is not necessary. God is not a legalist.

    So Friday would be the day Jesus died. If I am wrong I am open to you proving me wrong. I don't really have an issue with Easter. It is one of the few holidays that seems reasonable in terms of the events of Christ when He died on Friday, except for all the chocolate and the eggs, which are pagan rituals. Satan mixes things. This should not cause us to go to the opposite extreme all the way to Wednesday for the crucifixion.

    I don't like the word Easter though as it too much resembles eastern as though God favors one side over the other. Lent is not Christian - http://philologos.org/__eb-ttb/sect32.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy
    This is not right what you said I don't think, "Peter and John then visited the tomb also very late on Saturday just as Sunday was beginning". This occured on Sunday when Mary went to find them in the morning which would seem more reasonable to start a new day not in the darkness of night. Mary did not make two visits. If she did, can you show it? This is why we celebrate Sunday, not Saturday.

    Jesus did die on Friday, which is the day of Prepartation. He rose on the 3rd day from Friday. He was in the heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights for He was captured on Thursday and His death sentence was that day effectively placing Him in the earth that day spiritually speaking. I don't think we should legalize by sayng 3 FULL days and 3 FULL nights. That is not necessary. God is not a legalist.

    So Friday would not be the day Jesus died. If I am wrong I am open to you proving me wrong. I don't really have an issue with Easter. It is one of the few holidays that seems reasonable in terms of the events of Christ, except for all the chocolate.
    The "first day of the week" for the Jews began sundown on what we call Saturday, and ended at sundown on what we call Sunday. When Mary showed up Saturday night/Sunday morning before sunrise, He was already gone, so He must have been raised from the dead some time before.

    Friday is not the day of preparation. It is not on a specific day of the week every year.

    John 19:31"The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, (for the Sabbath day was a high day) besought Pilate that their legs would be broken, and that they might be taken away."

    The Passover always began on the l4th day of the Jewish month of Nisan.

    Leviticus 23:6“On the fourteenth day of the first month at evening is the Lord’s Passover.

    The day following or the l5th, was always a High Day Sabbath. This was not the weekly 7th day Sabbath, but the annual Passover Sabbath. Please notice,

    Leviticus 23:6-7 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of the unleavened bread unto the Lord; Seven days you must eat unleavened bread. In the first day (the fifteenth) you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no secular work therein.”

    Thus it is fixed that this 15th day was ALWAYS a Sabbath regardless of the day of the week. This is the High Day Sabbath mentioned in John 19:31. Then the Jews, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

    Now the Scripture makes it plain that Christ was crucified on the day preceding this High Day Sabbath. This was called the PREPARATION DAY. It is on Nisan 14, and falls on a different day each year. That is the Sabbath that is being referred to, and not the seventh day Sabbath.

    God is a legalist when He gives His Word. He always keeps it. If He says he is going to spend three days and nights in the earth, I believe He kept every minute of it. You cant find three nights between friday evening and Sunday morning to save your life. In other words, you're claiming He failed his mission, and did not keep His word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SealedEternal
    The "first day of the week" for the Jews began sundown on what we call Saturday, and ended at sundown on what we call Sunday. When Mary showed up Saturday night/Sunday morning before sunrise, He was already gone, so He must have been raised from the dead some time before.

    Friday is not the day of preparation. It is not on a specific day of the week every year.

    John 19:31"The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, (for the Sabbath day was a high day) besought Pilate that their legs would be broken, and that they might be taken away."
    Saturday night? The indication is a new day during the light, not during the darkness of the night before, even though the Sabbath ends Saturday evening. The day of preparation is before the Sabbath, so it is Friday. The day of preparation does not come two days before the the Saturday Sabbath, nor three days before. We can assume nothing, but only accept this. Scriptures does not allow us to assume something else. Let us be humble for the Lord's sake.

    The Passover always began on the l4th day of the Jewish month of Nisan.

    Leviticus 23:6“On the fourteenth day of the first month at evening is the Lord’s Passover.

    The day following or the l5th, was always a High Day Sabbath. This was not the weekly 7th day Sabbath, but the annual Passover Sabbath. Please notice,
    Leviticus 23:6-7 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of the unleavened bread unto the Lord; Seven days you must eat unleavened bread. In the first day (the fifteenth) you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no secular work therein.”

    Thus it is fixed that this 15th day was ALWAYS a Sabbath regardless of the day of the week. This is the High Day Sabbath mentioned in
    However, you still place the Sabbath on the Saturday anyway, so it makes no difference from your perspective. Resurrection day needs to be on the 8th day, the 1st day of the week.

    John 19:31. Then the Jews, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

    Now the Scripture makes it plain that Christ was crucified on the day preceding this High Day Sabbath. This was called the PREPARATION DAY. It is on Nisan 14, and falls on a different day each year. That is the Sabbath that is being referred to, and not the seventh day Sabbath.
    It appears though the 7th day Sabbath and the Nissan High Day Sabbath fell on the same day anyway.


    God is a legalist when He gives His Word. He always keeps it. If He says he is going to spend three days and nights in the earth, I believe He kept every minute of it. You cant find three nights between friday evening and Sunday morning to save your life. In other words, you're claiming He failed his mission, and did not keep His word.
    God is law abiding. I would not use the word legalist, for legalist is more akin to like one who is a bad lawyer like the Pharisees. Because Jonah was in the belly of a fish for 3 days and 3 nights, we draw the similarity, but spiritually 3 days and 3 nights from Thursday night to Saturday night when Christ was sentenced to death. You should see this sentencing beginning at this juncture and this is the meaning of 3 days and 3 nights. Christ was essentially put to death spiritually on Thursday for that is when they took Him from the garden to die on the cross the next day. This is the spiritual answer for our spirit, not so concerned with keeping legalisms. I don't find 3 nights between Friday and Sunday morning. I find 3 nights from Thursday night to Sunday morning. God succeeded in His mission, just not according to your timetable legalisms and your rejection of the new resurrection day that is wholly unlike the Sabbath and has nothing to do with the Sabbath. We should be leary of legalizers that want to keep the Sabbath or who want to reject the new day which is the first day of the week and keeping with the number of resurrection which is the number 8. You would lose sight of this, because your numbers would not agree. Also, you place the Sabbath on the same day as I anyway.

    The major difference as I see it, and correct me if I am wrong, is that you overassume more than what is there. You overassume Wednesday as passover and Thursday as the Sabbath, yet, Mary went to see Jesus after the Sabbath. Mary did not go to see Jesus on Friday. She went to see Jesus on Sunday morning. You agree with Mary going to see Jesus after the weekly Sabbath, so you contradict yourself with Mary going to see Jesus after the High Day Sabbath.

    Wow!

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    You're missing the entire point. The Sabbath is a day of rest. Every Saturday was a Sabbath, but not every Sabbath is not on Saturday. The Jews had "high day Sabbaths" which were on a specific date irregardless of the day of the week.

    The Passover always began on the l4th day of the Jewish month of Nisan.

    Leviticus 23:6“On the fourteenth day of the first month at evening is the Lord’s Passover.

    The 15th is always a Sabbath, no matter what day of the week it fell.

    “On the fourteenth day of the first month at evening is the Lord’s Passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of the unleavened bread unto the Lord; Seven days you must eat unleavened bread. In the first day (the fifteenth) you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no secular work therein.”Leviticus 23:5-7

    On the 15th of Nisan they had a high day Sabbath no matter what day it happened to be. That's where you're confused. You're assuming it is the seventh day Sabbath which it is not.

    John 19:31"The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, (for the Sabbath day was a high day)...."

    It is the Nisan 15 high day Sabbath being referred to rather than the seventh day Sabbath. You've begun with a false pretext, and that's why you're having trouble comprehending this. I haven't said anything contradictory, you just haven't studied Jewish law. THERE WERE TWO SABBATHS THAT WEEK! That's what I've been trying to explain to you.

    Christ said He would be in the belly of the earth for three days and three nights and He never lies. There's no such thing as "spiritual days" and it is only people with false doctrines who invent such things. We should be leary of people who "spiritualize" Christ's promises, in order to defend their theology.

    WOW!


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    Quote Originally Posted by SealedEternal
    You're missing the entire point. The Sabbath is a day of rest. Every Saturday was a Sabbath, but not every Sabbath is not on Saturday. The Jews had "high day Sabbaths" which were on a specific date irregardless of the day of the week.
    I understand your point. If I did not, you could show it. I have already acknowledged a High Day Sabbath.

    This is a double-negative saying not every Sabbath is on any other day of the week except Saturday, but I think I know what you are trying to say.

    The Passover always began on the l4th day of the Jewish month of Nisan.

    Leviticus 23:6“On the fourteenth day of the first month at evening is the Lord’s Passover.
    Yes, this is already understood.


    The 15th is always a Sabbath, no matter what day of the week it fell.

    “On the fourteenth day of the first month at evening is the Lord’s Passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of the unleavened bread unto the Lord; Seven days you must eat unleavened bread. In the first day (the fifteenth) you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no secular work therein.”Leviticus 23:5-7
    Yes.

    On the 15th of Nisan they had a high day Sabbath no matter what day it happened to be. That's where you're confused. You're assuming it is the seventh day Sabbath which it is not.

    John 19:31"The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, (for the Sabbath day was a high day)...."
    Yes.

    It is the Nisan 15 high day Sabbath being referred to rather than the seventh day Sabbath. You've begun with a false pretext, and that's why you're having trouble comprehending this. I haven't said anything contradictory, you just haven't studied Jewish law. THERE WERE TWO SABBATHS THAT WEEK! That's what I've been trying to explain to you.
    I don't doubt there was two Sabbath's that week. That is not the issue, showing you are confused. You are confused because you missed my point altogether. Let me quote me again (understand this),

    "The major difference as I see it, and correct me if I am wrong, is that you overassume more than what is there. You overassume Wednesday as passover and Thursday as the Sabbath, yet, Mary went to see Jesus after the Sabbath. Mary did not go to see Jesus on Friday. She went to see Jesus on Sunday morning. You agree with Mary going to see Jesus after the weekly Sabbath, so you contradict yourself with Mary going to see Jesus after the High Day Sabbath."

    The Bible does not say two different Sabbath's. We should assume the Sabbaths spoken of are the same sabbaths unless shown otherwise. Therefore, you have the unresolved contradiction as noted in the above paragraph. The only way to resolve this is to accept that the Sabbaths fell on the same day, Saturday, thus making Thursday the day Jesus was ceized in the garden.

    This would seem reasonable.

    Christ said He would be in the belly of the earth for three days and three nights and He never lies. There's no such thing as "spiritual days" and it is only people with false doctrines who invent such things. We should be leary of people who "spiritualize" Christ's promises, in order to defend their theology.
    These are spiritual days as proven by your contradiction. This is powerful because it shows Jesus is saying that He was as good as dead on Thursday. He is telling us, their plan was for his death was sealed on Thursday. Under your system, this is not appreciated. While you are focused on the physical rules man obsesses with, Jesus is showing us something deeper.

    This fills up believers spiritually which is more satisfying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy
    "The major difference as I see it, and correct me if I am wrong, is that you overassume more than what is there. You overassume Wednesday as passover and Thursday as the Sabbath, yet, Mary went to see Jesus after the Sabbath. Mary did not go to see Jesus on Friday. She went to see Jesus on Sunday morning. You agree with Mary going to see Jesus after the weekly Sabbath, so you contradict yourself with Mary going to see Jesus after the High Day Sabbath.".
    No, I don't assume anything. youre assuming these are not literal days even though God says they are.

    My position is that Mary went to see Him after the the seventh day Sabbath, which was the second Sabbath of that week. The seventh day Sabbath ended at sundown on what we call Saturday evening.

    Jesus was killed and placed in the tomb before the high day Sabbath of the Passover. Mary came after the seventh day Sabbath. These are two different Sabbaths. Either you're not understanding me, or intentionally mischaracterizing my position. These are two different Sabbaths, on two different days. There is no need to "spiritualize" these verses to fit your Theology. God said what He meant, and meant what He said.
    The Bible does not say two different Sabbath's. We should assume the Sabbaths spoken of are the same sabbaths unless shown otherwise. Therefore, you have the unresolved contradiction as noted in the above paragraph. The only way to resolve this is to accept that the Sabbaths fell on the same day, Saturday, thus making Thursday the day Jesus was ceized in the garden.
    You should not assume anything. You should listen to what God says. John 19:31 says that He was placed in the tomb before the "high day Sabbath."

    John 19:31"The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, (for the Sabbath day was a high day)...."

    John 20:1 says Mary came on the first day of the week Sabbath.

    John 20:1 "Now on the first day of the week.... "

    God says they were two different Sabbaths. Why don't you accept what He says instead of spiritualizing it to fit your Theology?
    This would seem reasonable.

    These are spiritual days as proven by your contradiction. This is powerful because it shows Jesus is saying that He was as good as dead on Thursday. He is telling us, their plan was for his death was sealed on Thursday. Under your system, this is not appreciated. While you are focused on the physical rules man obsesses with, Jesus is showing us something deeper.This fills up believers spiritually which is more satisfying.
    That's absurd, and you're only trying to rationalize your false teaching. it is not satisfying to me to call God a liar. There are no contradictions in my teaching, and I, unlike you, take God at his word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SealedEternal
    No, I don't assume anything. youre assuming these are not literal days even though God says they are.
    They are literal days. Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

    My position is that Mary went to see Him after the the seventh day Sabbath, which was the second Sabbath of that week. The seventh day Sabbath ended at sundown on what we call Saturday evening.
    The Bible itself does not distinguish between these two Sabbaths, and you were not able to find any Scriptures to that effect; ergo, you are overassuming, while I choose not to. It is better to be humble; thus, Jesus is speaking of being ceized on Thursday, the first day of the 3 days and the first night of the 3 nights.
    Jesus was killed and placed in the tomb before the high day Sabbath of the Passover. Mary came after the seventh day Sabbath. These are two different Sabbaths. Either you're not understanding me, or intentionally mischaracterizing my position. These are two different Sabbaths, on two different days. There is no need to "spiritualize" these verses to fit your Theology. God said what He meant, and meant what He said.
    Jesus was placed in the tomb before the high day Sabbath of the Passover on Friday. The Bible does not distinguish between these two Sabbaths. Thus, they were both on Saturday. Either you are not understanding me, or you are intentionally shutting your mind down and mischaracterizing the position afforded to you in the Scriptures. These are two Sabbaths on the same day; do not assume otherwise. You create different days to fit your theology, but the Bible says no such thing, but considers these Sabbaths on the same day. God said what He meant, and meant what He said, not so you could legalize His words.
    You should not assume anything. You should listen to what God says. John 19:31 says that He was placed in the tomb before the "high day Sabbath."
    We know them to be on the same day, otherwise the Word would have led us to believe otherwise. If the Word makes no distinction and would not confuse us, then why are you so adamant in overassuming? Rightly divide the Word not more than what it says. This takes humility and obedience to the Spirit. If I am wrong, the obligation is on you to show different days for the Sabbaths. I have no problem repenting if I am wrong, but I would need to be shown to be wrong because the position I have now is the non-overassuming one while yours is the overassuming one, splitting the days.
    John 19:31"The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, (for the Sabbath day was a high day)...."

    John 20:1 says Mary came on the first day of the week Sabbath.
    John 20.1 does not say "the first day of the week Sabbath". The first day of the week is not the Sabbath; you are trying desparately to make this Sabbath on another day so you add your words. It says "The first [day] of the week cometh" after the Sabbath, the same day after the annual Sabbath. Mary would not wait many days, for in many days, many things could happen. So, she came the next day early Sunday morning.

    John 20:1 "Now on the first day of the week.... "

    God says they were two different Sabbaths. Why don't you accept what He says instead of spiritualizing it to fit your Theology?
    God does not distinguish the Sabbaths. And you don't provide any verses to make your case, so why overassume? Is it so hard for you to be humble? Accept was is spiritual when it is spiritual food for your soul and spirit. Your theology is based on overassuming, and this is where I can see your fault. Praise the Lord for this discernment.
    That's absurd, and you're only trying to rationalize your false teaching. it is not satisfying to me to call God a liar. There are no contradictions in my teaching, and I, unlike you, take God at his word.
    Something is not absurd just because you self-declare it. What is absurd is always to overassume as we have seen you doing.

    I do not have to rationalize anything, for what I have said flows from the Spirit.

    You are rationalizing because you have a gaping contradiction by overassuming different day Sabbaths when you can find no indication of such in the Scriptures. Is this humble? I think not. Unwittingly, given your contradiction, you would be calling God a liar, but overassuming more than what He gives. You overassume more than what God said, so you take something for yourself, which you can not find basis for in the Scriptures. This taking of yours has the false fruit of puffing up self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy
    They are literal days. Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
    Notice Christ's own prophecy pertaining to His death burial and resurrection:

    Matthew 12:40"For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

    God said He would be in the heart of the earth three days. Do you believe him or not? You're adding days in which he was not in the heart of the earth, so you are in fact calling him a liar.
    The Bible itself does not distinguish between these two Sabbaths, and you were not able to find any Scriptures to that effect; ergo, you are overassuming, while I choose not to. It is better to be humble; thus, Jesus is speaking of being ceized on Thursday, the first day of the 3 days and the first night of the 3 nights.
    You're assuming because of your false Theology that these are spiritual days when GOD SAID HE WOULD BE IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH FOR THREE LITERAL DAYS. You need to humble yourself and listen to your Creator instead of your theology. Where does scripture say Jesus was " ceized on Thursday" ? God says it was before the high day Sabbath which couldn't have been Thursday, and still allow three days and nights in the heart of the earth.
    Jesus was placed in the tomb before the high day Sabbath of the Passover on Friday. The Bible does not distinguish between these two Sabbaths. Thus, they were both on Saturday. Either you are not understanding me, or you are intentionally shutting your mind down and mischaracterizing the position afforded to you in the Scriptures. These are two Sabbaths on the same day; do not assume otherwise. You create different days to fit your theology, but the Bible says no such thing, but considers these Sabbaths on the same day. God said what He meant, and meant what He said, not so you could legalize His words.
    What do you mean it doesn't distinguish between the Sabbaths? I showed you scripture repeatedly that proves there were two different Sabbaths that week. Where does God say it is the same day? It can't because if it did then Jesus would be a liar. I understand your words, but your teaching is unscriptural and presumptive in order to defend your false theology. It is YOU THAT IS ASSUMING THE SABBATHS ARE ON THE SAME DAY. Scripture doesn't say that.
    We know them to be on the same day, otherwise the Word would have led us to believe otherwise. If the Word makes no distinction and would not confuse us, then why are you so adamant in overassuming? Rightly divide the Word not more than what it says. This takes humility and obedience to the Spirit. If I am wrong, the obligation is on you to show different days for the Sabbaths. I have no problem repenting if I am wrong, but I would need to be shown to be wrong because the position I have now is the non-overassuming one while yours is the overassuming one, splitting the days.
    The Word did lead me to believe otherwise. You have simply been duped by buying in to the Theology of false teachers. You're the only one assuming here. I believe what the text actually says, and don't have to come up with ridiculous theories as to why my theology contradicts scripture. The obligation is yours to prove that Jesus failed His mission. I believe He fulfilled it. You are wrong because you're in contradiction to God. You're just to arrogant to admit it.
    John 20.1 does not say "the first day of the week Sabbath". The first day of the week is not the Sabbath; you are trying desperately to make this Sabbath on another day so you add your words. It says "The first [day] of the week cometh" after the Sabbath, the same day after the annual Sabbath. Mary would not wait many days, for in many days, many things could happen. So, she came the next day early Sunday morning.

    John 20:1 "Now on the first day of the week.... "
    Come on now. You know I meant the first day of the week which was after the Sabbath.
    Something is not absurd just because you self-declare it. What is absurd is always to overassume as we have seen you doing.

    I do not have to rationalize anything, for what I have said flows from the Spirit.

    You are rationalizing because you have a gaping contradiction by overassuming different day Sabbaths when you can find no indication of such in the Scriptures. Is this humble? I think not. Unwittingly, given your contradiction, you would be calling God a liar, but overassuming more than what He gives. You overassume more than what God said, so you take something for yourself, which you can not find basis for in the Scriptures. This taking of yours has the false fruit of puffing up self.
    Things that contradict God don't "flow from the Spirit."

    What is absurd is this.
    This is powerful because it shows Jesus is saying that He was as good as dead on Thursday. He is telling us, their plan was for his death was sealed on Thursday. Under your system, this is not appreciated. While you are focused on the physical rules man obsesses with, Jesus is showing us something deeper.
    That's trying to make a lie sound spiritual. Scripture doesn't say any of that, and you're only making things up to rationalize your false teaching.

    I showed you repeatedly that there were two Sabbaths that week. You are the one who assumes that they are the same day when God never said they were. You're theology causes you to deny Christ's claim that He spent three days and nights in the heart of the earth paying for your sins. That's blasphemy.

    There is no reason to hold such a Theology based on scripture. It is your pride that won't allow you to accept Jesus Christ's claim, because that would mean admitting you made a mistake.

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