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    Default James White (Unsaved Calvinist) Debates with Yasir Qadhi (Muslim going to Hell)

    Yasir Qadhi was Only Emboldened in His Faith Because Evidence for the Gospel was 'Shirked'
    James White was too afraid to get into the evidence of Scripture for God the Son and the Ransom He paid

    At the 13:40 mark, Yasir Qadhi said "if you follow the law you will attain salvation and God's kingdom and God's grace in the next world." Whereas Christianity teaches nobody can keep the law except Jesus since Jesus is God so all are subject to death and eternal separation from God.

    Yasir Qadhi said, "Five rituals are mandatory."

    "8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast" (Eph. 2.8,9).

    Yasir Qadhi (Sunni) gains 3 to 5 pounds per Ramadan which agrees with the statistics due to gorging in the morning and evening. Sin does that so Ramadan is sinful, not of God; proving salvation is not by rules and works, lest anyone should boast.

    The Koran is 54% the length of the NT and 14% the length of the entire Bible. That's how some Muslims are able to recite the entire text by memory. It helps to have a photographic memory.

    In the Koran there is no human nature working with God being led by the Holy Spirit to record the Bible. And it is not valid unless the Koran is Arabic. The rest in other languages are just translations of the Koran. Because of this the Koran lacks personableness of a personal God in His 3 Persons.

    85% of Muslims are Sunni. They have a 2nd source the Sunnah (Hadith) which are the sayings of Muhammad. The 3rd source is Islamic History.

    Why does the Koran say Mary is the most sanctified woman in all of human history if Jesus is just a prophet? Why of all the prophets did God select Mary to be a virgin to give birth to Jesus? Since the blood of the embryo comes from sperm, not the woman's seed, then the blood comes from God so Jesus is the Son of God. The Koran says Jesus is not the Son of God. Isn't that a contradiction?

    The Koran teaches Jesus was the Messiah for Israel, not God. Yasir made the statement in Christianity the law is abolished. Actually that is not what Christians believe. The Bible says not one tittle of the law shall pass till all these things are finished (when the millennial kingdom ends). There is though the NT sense of the law and that Jesus was the only person that could keep the law, thus, proving He is God. In the NT Jesus preached the Trinity and His divinity so Muslims just throw out all those books of the Bible.

    Surah 4 and 5 specifically mentions don't say the number 3. They reject Jesus died on the cross, again, requiring all the books of the NT be thrown out. They replace Jesus on the cross with someone. They like to put Judas in his place, which is ridiculous since Judas committed suicide. Moreover, Jesus would never have let the Roman guards take Judas in Jesus' place. And is there any thought to why they were capturing Jesus? It's because he claimed to be God. Muslims try to twist things and they are their own worse enemy because their changed story doesn't fit the data. So many alterations are required it is embarrassing for Islam. You even have to accuse the Apostles of liar when they recorded these events. To say they did not record events is completely belligerent because it demands the Apostles never recorded any competing documents to the Koranic interpretation. They went silent because they did not know how to read or write. That's the argument Muslims are making.

    Historians simply don't do history this way, within nothing to support the allegations and alterations of Scripture that Muhammad attempted 600 years later. It makes you realize the length man's flesh is willing to go to, to reject the love of God by allowing His Son to pay the penalty on the cross for the sins of the world to be redeemed and reconciled with God to restore fellowship since God can have no fellowship with sin. It really causes me to appreciate how blessed I am, chosen before the foundations of the world and not going to Hell with Muslims.

    Muslims believe when Jesus returns then the Armageddon takes place. Whereas Scripture teaches us that Jesus returns after the Armageddon. Who then is really coming before the Tribulation? It is the Antichrist. So the one who returns who claims to be Jesus is really the Antichrist. The Antichrist will, necessarily, claim to be Jesus, but of course, he is not Jesus, but Neron Kaiser (666 in Greek) or Nero resurrected. Nero was the most evil man in human history against the Church, and he shall return and will not die again, because we are appointed once to die.

    The soldier's and armies of this fake Jesus will be what Muslims believe the armies of Islam. Whereas Christ will return to destroy them (Matt. 25.31-46). The religion of Islam that rejects who Jesus really is will come to an end. Muslims believe that this Antichrist will be followed by Christians, accepting him as their true Jesus. Of course this is absurd since the Antichrist in 2 Thess. 2 claims to be God in the 3rd Temple, makes a peace treaty for 7 years, and breaks it halfway through (Dan. 9.27).

    "2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God" (2 Thess. 2.2-4). This is the same Antichrist in Matt. 24.15, "15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)."

    The greatest sin in the Koran is called "Shirk" like shirk your responsibilities (no correlation to the world though). It is the sin to worship polytheism of false gods. It is to give the rights of God to other than god. It is considered an unforgiveable sin. If you die and don't repent of this then you are going to Hell. Believing in the Trinity is considered Shirk. Therefore, all Christians are going to Hell according to Islam. Which is strange because Muslims also believe that Christians will follow after their false Jesus the Antichrist when he comes on the scene.

    Polls support Muslims are sympathetic to ISIS. Whereas almost no Americans support the KKK even though apparently there were more KKK early last century than today's 20,000 ISIS members. Passive Muslims are letting their ISIS brothers do their dirty work while Muslims hide behind the veil in their living rooms. I truly believe that.

    You can do a whole workup on Sharia Law how its laws are barbaric. God help us if the world is under this oppression. Women having to wear veils because Muslim men can't control their sexual desires is not a world I want to live in.

    Yasir said if you repent and keep the law you will be saved. He doesn't understand that nobody can keep the law so all will perish. He doesn't have humility to accept this. He is arrogant and self-righteous. He doesn't understand that a sinner got himself into this mess and no matter how hard he tries, he can never get himself out of this mess. It is like a game of jumping frogs at the fair or exhibition. As you smash one down with your mallet another one pops up. It is only with the life of Christ in a person through new birth that we can overcome.

    "For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it" (James 2.10).

    Yasir said nobody can know if another person is going to Hell. What a horrible faith that is that you can't fellowship with someone knowing they are your brother or sister in Christ. You can't even know if you yourself are saved. Sounds like Satan's religion to cast doubt and disable you spiritually. He said, "Muslims do not speak of individual people, just in generalities." To me this is impersonal just as Allah is an impersonal god. He affirmed his point saying, "No Muslim can ever say of himself, I am going to Heaven, and you non-Muslim are going to Hell."

    Eventually any lie will break down and is harmful to us. Yashir said, "Some people will have a legitimate excuse for not believing so that is why we can't know if someone is saved or not." From this idea, people will remain unsaved because they will think to themselves when they come before God they will have a legitimate excuse. In Christianity your decision is final in this life. Yasir said only God has a right to judge whether someone is going to Heaven or Hell. He fails to appreciate the word of God, the 66 books of the Bible, clearly defines who is going to Hell, so the matter is already decided and Christians can convey that truth to Muslims why the Muslim is going to Hell for rejecting the gospel of salvation.

    What a terrible faith that is that you can't know if you are saved or not. Yasir said, "What if there is something in my heart I am not aware of that sends me to Hell?" What love is that? In Christianity, God knows our condition which is none of us by our own strength can get into Heaven. That is why Jesus died on the cross for us. We no longer live, but He lives in us and through us by the Holy Spirit.

    Yasir said what if someone who never heard God's word at judgment had a legitimate excuse because the message was never given to him. "20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. (Rom. 1.20,21). The Bible says there is no excuse in the after life. A person who never heard of Jesus can be saved because surely if he accepted the God of the mountains and the stars, he would accept the gospel of salvation in Christ. "Whoever has seen me has seen the Father" (John 14.9) and vice versa.

    By saying you can't tell someone if they are saved or not, and the reason, then what kind of impersonal gospel is that? Jesus spoke on Hell more than anyone.

    Yasir says, "There is one path to God and your chances are significantly greater you will be saved if you are on that path." Does that not disturb you? You may be a quarter of the way along this path of works, but not be saved. How far along the works based path do you need to be? Nobody knows. There is no clear salvation directive. It is very vague and unreal. Satan is the author of confusion.

    Yasir said, "It is arrogant to say I am going to Heaven." Not at all. It is perfectly proper to acknowledge God's provision by believing on His only begotten Son. God would not give you any other kind of salvation that casts doubt. "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not the result of works, so that no one may boast" (Eph. 2.8,9). So it is quite arrogant to reject God's provision and seek to rely on your own strength to get saved.

    He admits there is some small element of fear that he might not be good enough to get into Heaven. That is Satan talking, not God. Yasir asked, what if the Christian is on a path that is leading to Hell? That's a false question, because the Christian by definition is already saved and already has eternal life which can never be lost (John 17.3, 10.28). Any missteps along the way are restrained by the Holy Spirit.


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    Both James White and Yasir Qadhi are Going to Hell
    Normally two individuals so far down the beaten path will never repent and give their lives to Christ, "condemned already" (John 3.18)

    The first question asked by the audience was how does predestination differ with White than it does for Muslims?

    White exalted his Calvinism, he calls Reformed (high jacking the Reformation), stating he is in a better position to dialogue because he is not trying to debate Yasir into believing. If you watch him, that is certainly not the impression he gives. He is constantly throwing in his plugs. Should not the gospel of salvation be delivered to the whole world to convince people by the grace of God to believe in Him?

    But what kind of god is that to believe you have been irresistibly selected (unconditional election)? It makes everything seem just as impersonal as Islam because everything is just a charade. You can sense the pride in the unregenerated spirit of James White. He is literally lording himself over others claiming he was irresistibly selected and others were born for Hell with no opportunity for salvation. If that is not evil what is?

    Yasir affirms free will. White rejects free will. With free will comes responsibility. But in Calvinism since it is god that is moving things and forcing man's hand, why should man ever be accountable for what he has not done or chosen? It is a mockery for God to implore us and plead with us to believe and do when we cannot legitimately respond.

    When Yasir affirmed free will, James White said he calls this compatibilism which White believes in. But compatibilism is a contradiction. You can't co-mingle free will and irresistibly imposed salvation. One is not forced, the other is forced. A true gift is a gift that can be refused. In Calvinism compatibilism this so called gift can't be refused. People are born for Hell without any opportunity of salvation which violates free will.

    Yasir read a question from the audience accusing him of being insincere about being peaceful. The audience member is correct, because the Koran clearly teaches to lie to gain power before the point of taking control. So many verses about lying. Is that not enough verses to support lying?

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pa...n/taqiyya.aspx

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