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    Matt Dillahunty confessed even a severed head reattached a few minutes later would not convince him in the supernatural. Mike Licona responded to him no amount of evidence would convince Matt. His epistemology is screwed up. Thus, I see the need for Hell for Matt.

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    Mike Licona contacted the American Psychological Association. They told him there are no documented credible accounts of group hallucinations. It seems even silly to have this sort of discussion that the Apostles all hallucinated and not just one time but in 12 different group settings of different individuals present.

    Mike said, "In the book put out by the American Psychological Association-Hallucinations: The Science of Idiosyncratic Perception-for the last 100 years on hallucinations, they don't have anything on group hallucinations. I contacted the authors and asked why not? They said we could not find any reliable documented sources on group hallucinations. They seem impossible."

    Therefore, the resurrection is true, Jesus really is God, and there is no other name under heaven by which one can be saved.

    Mike said, "In the book it says the group most likely to experience hallucinations are senior adults bereaved of the loss of a loved one. But only 7% of them experience a visual hallucination. In the various groups it would have to be 100% of all individuals involved. Group hallucinations is not a plausible explanation, does not have explanatory power and is ad hoc."


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    Notice very carefully, Matt said, "I will be open to supernatural explanations the moment somebody defines, describes and identifies the supernatural in such a way that it could be an explanation." In other words, Matt places himself at the center to decide. He is playing God.

    it sounds to me why Matt Dillahunty gave up what he thought was the faith is why I would give up the faith too if I had his faith. He emphasizes works. He speaks of constantly struggling in that faith of his. We are not saved by works lest anyone should boast. He never received the free gift of eternal life and forgiveness by the precious blood of Jesus Christ. He was unwilling to die with Christ on the cross to his old man. Because once you do, you place all things on Christ and He bears them for you. It is a peace and comfort that requires no struggle. You're guided daily by the Holy Spirit. If birds have no fear of where they have their next meal, why should we fret?

    Matt keeps asking for the explanation. The explanation is given in Christ. To choose a people for Himself who will dwell in the New City and New Earth after the millennial kingdom. It's not required to know the explanation to accept the supernatural since certain things can't happen naturally they must occur supernaturally.

    Matt said he doesn't have a god reason for belief. That you are a sinner, sin leads to death and the second death, an eternal separation from God since God can have no fellowship with sin....is this not a good reason to believe God exists? Only God is qualified to pay for sins since He is the Creator of all things then the choice is before us to choose life or not.

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    I'm sad for Matt but not in a way that you should feel sad for me, because my sadness for Matt is a holy sadness like God sheds a tear for the lost. It is a righteous response and shows God's empathy. Liberated to believe in lies is not liberating at all but a path down a road of lies which is ultimately harmful to you and others. Matt expresses his desire to go to Hell however convoluted it may get.

    Matt said he cares about the world, which entails a world predominately atheistic. How is that a good thing? Living in a world where the source of our existence is an eternal regress of ad hoc meaningless cause and effects? It's like saying my mother and father are really just undirected arbitrary natural cause and effects from dust to biology and no caring God. What a terrible world that would be. I guess that is why there are far more charities that are Christian than any other world-view or faith. If atheism was left to its own devices think how much worse this world would be.

    Let's not forget that 60 million people died under the atheist Mao, 40 million under the atheist Stalin, and 30 million under the naturalistic kill or be killed Hitler. What a wonderful world this is. If only we could get more Atheist leaders in the world.

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    I disagree with Leighton Flowers. He is claiming the cross is not absolutely proven. I believe it is, because I can't find a naturalistic explanation to account for the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles. Nor can I find it reasonable that Atheists claim there is an infinite regress of cause and effects or that something in nature can come from nothing. Both these ideas are absurd.

    Licona made the point well maybe an evil god caused Jesus to die on the cross in order to present the need for faith in a loving God. True faith is proven faith. This is Gnosticism where an evil god is involved in our creation. But this idea is easily disproven because God cannot have morals below our own. The greater can never be less than the lesser. Since we believe it is wrong to let Jesus die for no valid reason, we cannot say God is evil.

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