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    The fire of Hell is figurative, because unlike a natural fire that eventually burns out, the fire of Hell never does. This is very good reason not to believe that Hell is an actual physical fire, but is an actual physical place. As we need to lock up some people in jail for life, the unsaved need to be locked up in Hell for eternity. As it is in heaven so it is on earth. There is no physical fire in prisons.

    God is not a sadist so the fire is a fire of judgment. He uses such expressive language so that if you don't respond to His love, you might respond to His judgment.

    The Devil is a real being and so are the angels. They are never figurative. Are you saying you think they are not real beings?

    In your profile you suggest that you are a Christian, but that appears not to be the case given your stance on Hell, Satan and the angels. What Christian believes angels are merely allegory or hyperbole and Hell is just a blazing pit of physical fire. That's absurd!

    Hell is the perfect place designed by God for those who eternally reject God. It's the perfect eternal prison for the unregenerate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysLoved View Post
    The Devil is a real being and so are the angels. They are never figurative. Are you saying you think they are not real beings?
    I believe they are real.


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    What Christian believes . . . Hell is just a blazing pit of physical fire.
    Webster's defines a Christian as somebody who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ.

    According to Webster's; in order to satisfy the definition of a Christian; one need not comply with the teachings of Jesus Christ; one need only profess to believe in them.

    Webster's definition doesn't take into consideration one's interpretation of Jesus Christ's teachings. So as long as people believe in his teachings, even if it's only their way of believing; then they qualify to wear the label.

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    I was baptized an infant into the Roman Catholic Church; and was eventually enrolled in catechism where I completed First Holy Communion and Confirmation. Although catechism did a good job of instilling within me the reality of hell's eternal fires; it wasn't until I saw a painting by Gustave Doré depicting a scene from Dante Alighieri's Inferno that I realized the degree of despair gripping the minds and hearts of people in hell.

    People down there know it's permanent; that's what makes hell so much worse than any other source of misery one can possibly imagine. If only they could see a light at the end of the tunnel; but that's just it: there is no end of the tunnel; it loops, like a donut within which they just go round and around and around. They say hope springs eternal in the human heart. Well; not down there. No; down there hope is futile. The fires are bad enough; but it's the permanence of hell that I would imagine hurts the most.

    Through me; the way to the eternal city.
    Through me; the way to eternal sadness.
    Through me; the way to lost people.

    Justice moved my supreme maker:
    I was shaped by divine power,
    By highest wisdom, and by primal love.

    Before me, nothing was created
    That is not eternal: and eternally I endure.
    Abandon all hope, you that enter here.

    The Divine Comedy
    by Dante Alighieri
    Inferno: canto 3, v.1-9


    Dante's Divine Comedy is called a comedy because it has a happy ending as opposed to a tragedy; at least for Dante anyway. The souls he and Virgil pass along the way through the Inferno portion of Dante's odyssey will never, nor anon, have a happy ending; hence the sign above the entrance to the netherworld: "Abandon all hope, you that enter here."

    Webster's defines "despair' as: to no longer have any hope or belief that a situation will improve or change. Well; down in the Inferno section of Dante's concept of the netherworld, despair is a way of life.

    FYI: I renounced Rome in 1968; and later underwent baptism as a Protestant by a Conservative Baptist minister.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebersHome View Post
    So as long as people believe in his teachings, even if it's only their way of believing; then they qualify to wear the label.
    His teachings are not non-OSAS for example, so Roman Catholics are not saved, since they refuse to repent and believe in Christ to be kept. They claim tomorrow in their salvation they can lose it. This shows they were never born-again to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebersHome View Post
    The fires are bad enough; but it's the permanence of hell that I would imagine hurts the most.
    C.S. Lewis said the unsaved lock themselves in Hell from the inside. I agree with that. They want to be eternally separated from God even though they know somewhere deep down inside they are going to burn (figuratively speaking since it is a fire judgment not physical fire) in the Lake of Fire for eternity. They prefer that.

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    C.S. Lewis said the unsaved lock themselves in Hell from the inside. I agree with that. They want to be eternally separated from God even though they know somewhere deep down inside they are going to burn (figuratively speaking since it is a fire judgment not physical fire) in the Lake of Fire for eternity. They prefer that.
    I once heard a minister tell a fanciful story of a busload of hell's inmates who were given a 30-day furlough for some R&R in heaven. They all came back the first night because heaven was so disagreeable. There were no wild parties, no clothing-optional beaches, no bars, no night clubs, no porn, no fighting, no pigging-out at buffets, no profanity, no fibbing, no gratuitous sex, no vulgarity, no exotic dancers, no mayhem movies, no television violence, no off-color comedy, no junk food, no tobacco, no marijuana, no meth, no ecstasy, no LSD, no hunting for sport, no fishing for sport, and no vices like gambling and prostitution.

    And the hellsters didn't particularly care for the isolation. None of the good folk in heaven wanted to associate with them: they were ostracized, they were segregated, they were quarantined, and they were kept under guard.

    Heaven is a pleasant utopia. It's etiquette, its dress code, and its rules of conduct and civility; were way too strict for the hellsters. Especially suffocating is the mandatory self control everyone has to exercise in their choice of words to avoid hurting people's feelings.

    In other words: heaven is a place prepared for a prepared people. Normal people would quite naturally find heaven disagreeable-- they just wouldn't fit in --especially with its lack of privacy, its 24-7 Big Brother oversight, and its strict codes of conduct. Take for example Wall Street barracudas. Do you really think they'd be happy in heaven? No. Or sweat shop operators? No. Or influence peddlers? No. Or cruel despots like Robert Mugabe and Kim Jong Un? No. Or adulterers and fornicators? No. Or J-walking pedestrians? No. Or gays and lesbians? No. Or greedy businessmen like Phil Knight, Donald Trump, and Bill Gates? Or unscrupulous social networking moguls like Mark Zuckerberg? Or sports bookies? Or activists? No. No. No. You see many of the things that interest hell's inmates are unacceptable in heaven; and in point of fact, none of heaven's people any longer have an interest in many of the things that interest hell's people.

    You know what else is lacking in heaven? Religious tolerance. There is only one religion in heaven. What's that tell you? Well; it tells me that the establishment clause of the US Construction's first amendment doesn't fly in heaven. The government in heaven insists upon dictating everyone's religious preference.

    In other words; Heaven's utopian society, coupled with its 24/7 Big Brother oversight, was just simply too much to ask in exchange for some time off. To hear the inmates tell it: heaven should be outlawed.

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    The irony is the 'normal people' are really abnormal. And the spiritual Christian is the 'normal' one. The carnal Christian though saved is being abnormal even though there are more carnal Christians than spiritual Christians, and more abnormal people than normal since most are unsaved and seemingly unsalvageable.

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    I sometimes wish there were tour buses to hell so people could see what's in store for them down there; and not only the degree of suffering that people can expect in the next life, but also hell's impact upon the human mind.

    People have been filtering into perdition not only since the time of Christ, but since before the Step Pyramid of Djoser, and even before the Flood. I won't speculate how many years that might be, but Man is thought by some to have achieved full behavioral modernity something like 50,000 years ago. Whether that extends clear on back to Adam and Eve I have no clue; but just think: if it does, then Cain and others from his era have been down in the netherworld all this time.

    It's difficult for the human mind to appreciate 50,000 years. I've been on the Earth for just 70, and I've noticed that my childhood is so far in the past to me now as to seem more like a fantasy than a memory. But you know; when you're talking about eternity, 50,000 years isn't even a drop in the bucket. If it were a drop in the bucket, it would be a bucket with no bottom; which is roughly akin to the futility of a gnat attempting to drink up the Atlantic ocean. It would also be akin to Forrest Gump thinking he could fill a sieve with water faster by dipping it into a bucket instead of using the tap.

    But just think: time stands still in hell: it's for the now; it's an existence. People who arrived there yesterday didn't begin doing time in jail like Lindsay Lohan expecting to get out some day; nor is perdition a temporary tour of duty like shipping out to Afghanistan. No, people in hell are in it as perpetual residents; they're in a rut.

    They go year, after year, after year, after year, with no relief from the pain and discomfort: no vacations, no recreation, no reading materials, and no hobbies— there's absolutely nothing to do but reminisce and writhe in fire. The mental atrophy, and the boredom that must result from that kind of mindless existence is beyond estimation.

    In life, everybody enjoys God's blessings; even the really bad people. We're all breathing fresh air, basking in sunshine, drinking cool water, savoring tasty foods, listening to birds chirp, star gazing at night, throwing snow balls at each other in winter, river rafting, fishing, snow skiing, tending gardens, pruning shrubs, greeting friends during the holidays, spending days with grandkids; and all that sort of thing. In the Bible's hell, there are no blessings of any kind at all: only perpetual sadness, vexation, despair, and want.

    In hell's unruly society; it's reasonable to expect quarrels, bickering, hard feelings, vendettas, rivalry, selfishness, insensitivity, irritation, aggravation, and ugly words exchanged between people. Is there really any good reason to be courteous and/or respect your fellow man's human rights in the Bible's hell; or to be kind, forgiving, affable, genial, courteous, cordial, charitable, altruistic, tolerant, generous, and patient?

    And the din: think of the volume of noise down there with all the wailing and sobbing, and the screams, shrieks, yelps, howls, and gnashing teeth. Conditions are really bad, and everyone is sad, blue, and lonely. After a few years of the conditions I'm describing, I should think most folks break, and go mad from the stress.

    But just imagine bringing with you a craving for tobacco with none available. Or longing for a cocktail with no liquor in sight. A desire for music, with no way to produce it. A skill for writing, with no pen and paper. Yearning for a walk out in nature, with no world to do it in.

    People in the Bible's hell will never again smell a sea breeze, sit in the shade of a tree, take deep breaths of mountain-fresh air, play at sports, hear a bird chirp, see a sunset, watch a lunar eclipse, jog in the park, strum a guitar, enjoy a Christmas dinner with loved ones; nor make little pigs of themselves gobbling barbecued spare ribs and corn on the 4th of July.

    Sports and recreation are gone: no more World Series, no more Super Bowl, no more Olympics, no more Las Vegas, no more Indian casinos, no more lottery, no more Lego World, no more Sea World, no more NASCAR, no more golf, no more surfing, et al.

    No baths, no showers, no sleep, no TV, no radio, no iPods, no computers, no Twitter, no texting, no FaceBook, no YouTube, no MySpace, no internet, no clean sheets, no breakfast, no lunch, and no dinner. No snacks, no gum, no candy, no flowers, no parks, no rivers, no snow, no seasons, no picnics, no malls, no fast food, no trades, no careers, no trendy fashions, no jewelry, no cosmetics, no concerts, no operas, and no hobbies; absolutely nothing of this world that brings people the pleasures and the satisfactions of just being alive.

    No pets are allowed in the Bible's hell and no flowers or vegetation of any kind. The absence of birds, fish, and animals of course precludes the citizens of hell ever again spending a day at the zoo. The one advantage of the lack of pets and vegetation in hell is the absence of fleas and allergies. I suppose you could say that's at least one good thing about it. There's a bright side to everything I guess; even to that place.

    Pop Clock Update: 3 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 180,513 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since January 15, 2015.

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    Nobody has gone to Hell yet so no population clock for Hell. People don't go to Hell immediately when they die. First they go to Hades from where they will be resurrected. Lazarus was on the good side; the rich man was in the bad side of Sheol. The unsaved get resurrected for Hell from Hades 1000 years after the saved.

    The first person that goes to Hell is the Antichrist. Adam was born 4004 BC. He was 18 years old 3986 BC. This is determined by adding the ages up in the Bible. There are 120 Jubilees from 3986 BC to 2015 also very meticulously determined. There were no men made in God's image before Adam. Before Adam was the pre-endemic or pre-Adamic race: our bodies derived from dust. In other words when they died they would cease to exist.

    Time stands still in Hell? No it doesn't. It carries on. Hell is not a place where people that will go there will want to leave. They prefer it than being with God and the Lamb at the center of the New City, and the angels and elect. As much as there is wailing (sorrow) and gnashing of teeth (regret) in Hell they still prefer to be there than be with God and His sons and daughters. There are no pets in Hell, but neither are there pets or animals of any kind in Heaven. The Bible makes no mention of them. There is also wailing and gnashing of teeth in outer darkness (which has no fire or furnace about it) for believers who were like the 5 unwise virgins to be disciplined 1000 years, but they will be corrected and made ready for the New City after the millennial kingdom is over.

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