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    It's obvious Satan is the first "theos" in 2 Cor. 4:4. The historicist can't think of anyone it would be but is adamant it is not Satan because if it was it would ruin their entire theology. All Bible versions that I know of put in a small "g" for this theos.

    "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them" (2 Cor. 4:4).

    How can the prince of the power of the air be in the pit? The pit is below, the air is above. Satan is in the pit during the millennial kingdom. So the millennial kingdom is not happening yet, not till Jesus returns. Very simple to understand.

    "Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience" (Eph. 2:2).

    You know what I find interesting is how the historicist can't see this is Satan in each of these verses the same god of this world. Who else can it be but Satan? I think they worship Satan since they don't acknowledge these verses are clearly about him.

    "Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out" (John 12:31).

    "We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one" (1 John 5:19).

    So all historicisms -- amillennial, postmillennial and preterism -- are heresies. They are waiting for the wrong Jesus even worshiping a false Christ now. What can God do but send them to Hell if they don't repent and receive Christ!

    James White can't distinguish God from Satan in 2 Cor. 4.4 he admits,


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    Quote Originally Posted by chimo
    The 1000 years which the Bible speaks of is a figure of speech and does not mean a literal 1000 years but a long time of frame. It is my understanding that we are in these 1000 years now. The reign of Christ had occurred with his Death, Resurrection and with the sending of the Holy Spirit until this present time. However the devil is said to be chained during that time meaning the devil is only limited to his activity towards us, to the Church and to the world. The devil is on a leashed which means he cannot go beyond what God allows. However for some reason the devil must be loosed for awhile which means God will permit the devil much more activity than he was allowed. This loosing does not mean the end is coming or "oh no" what are we to do since the devil has this permission to do more because God will have this devil loosed. On the contrary God does this just for the opposite meaning. And what is that? So that His Church will be elevated higher and to make it stronger. The loosing of the devil is for our own good for if God had not decided for the devil to be loosed at this time we will find ourselves in a more worse scenario. Do not be surprised at this. God uses the devil to strengthen His Church not to bring it down. Understand that God knows what He needs to do to help strengthen His Church to be the hope for the world and so we need not to be afraid. This loosing of the devil corresponds to the time when God permitted the devil to be more loosed unto Job. The Church presently is going through the same as Job and we know what happened to Job at the end of his ordeal so we believe the same will happen for the Church.
    If we are in the 1000 years now in which Satan is the god of this world and ruler of this world, how is he able to do so since he would also be in the pit that is completed sealed (Rev. 20.3)? "Shut it and sealed it over him." Maybe he is escaping through some back door at night.

    How are the saints reigning with Christ now over the nations with a rod of iron (Rev. 2.26,27; 20.4-6)?

    How is Satan merely only limited when Rev. 20.3 says there is a seal on the pit so no contact, no ability to communicate from the pit to the world?

    Even though you don't know why Satan is let out of the pit for a short while, premillennialists do know: 1) to show Satan will never repent; 2) to show man still had yet some hidden sin; and 3) God's good pleasure to defeat Satan and put him in Hell.

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    Revelation 20.3 says during the 1000 years Satan is in the pit: "And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

    My question #1: How can Satan currently be the god of this world and ruler of this world if he is in the pit, totally sealed, for 1000 years?

    "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them" (2 Cor. 4:4).
    "Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience" (Eph. 2:2).
    "Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out" (John 12:31).
    "We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one" (1 John 5:19).

    My question #2: How can overcomer saints be reigning over the nations today with a rod of iron for 1000 years since today few Christians are in a position of power to do so? Many of us are being martyred.

    "They lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years...they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." (Rev. 20.4,6).
    "He that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron" (2.26,27).

    When it says "they shall be" won't that be a future millennial kingdom? "I will give" is future. "He shall rule" is not happening now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel1136
    Satan is not in the abyss now, but he will go there so that he cannot deceive the mortal nations of the Lord's coming millennial kingdom on the earth

    The believer in Jesus Christ lives in this present world, but is not of it

    So His ecclesia are not ruling the world ..... yet [Romans 8]

    All one has to do is look around .... the Lord and His true church are not ruling the world and this should obvious .... if true we have a big problem

    There are those of the professing church with false teachers that claim they are the kingdom of God ruling on earth now, but this is a crafted deception and not true

    This idea is the false teaching of bedrock amillennalism meaning that there will be no future millennial kingdom with the Lord ruling in person on the earth

    The teaching has its roots in the early professing church fostered by the propriety ambitions of men that are essentially blinded by Satan even today

    Here are some hints about what is going with this false teaching:

    Satan is the ruler if this present world and wants people to worship him as "god"

    So this devil has a huge foot hold in the professing church

    And this one does not want Jesus Christ to come and rightly rule over His coming millennial kingdom upon the earth

    Because of this [Revelation 20:1-3], and ultimately this [Revelation 20:10]
    Lots of verses showing Jesus returns to reign on earth,
    http://www.bibleinfo.com/en/topics/second-coming-jesus

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    6 questions for the InSINcere:

    1) How can Satan be the "god of this world" (2 Cor. 4.4), "prince of the air" (Eph. 2.2) and "ruler of this world" (John 12.31) if he is sealed in the pit for 1000 years (Rev. 20.3)?

    2) How can Christians be reigning today "over the nations" with a "rod of iron" (Rev. 2.26,27) if we are being martyred daily?

    3) How can there be two rulers, those who "overcometh" (Rev. 2.26) reigning "with Christ" (20.4), "with Him" (v.6), for 1000 years if Satan is "ruler of this world" now also?

    4) If the nations are not deceived in the 1000 years where Satan can "deceive the nations no more, till the 1000 years is finished" (Rev. 20.3), how can the 1000 years be now since 10,000 children die every day due to starvation and we continue to hear of wars and rumors of wars?

    5) What would prevent the gospel of salvation being distributed to the nations so they would be deceived again when Satan is let out for a short while at the end of the 1000 years? Surely everyone in all the nations can continue to hear the gospel to be saved even if Satan were let out of the pit otherwise that would give credence to Calvinism.

    6) When a person dies they go to soul sleep; if saved, to the good side of Hades, Abraham's bosom, waiting to be resurrected at the "last trumpet" (1 Cor. 15.50-52; 1 Thess. 4.14-18). How can those who "overcometh" be reigning over the nations today if they are asleep? There is no party going on in Heaven right now of the resurrected saved.

    1 Thess. 4 says, "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and left unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God ('at the last trumpet' 1 Cor. 15.52): and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and left shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words" (vv.14-18).

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    "The LORD will mediate between nations and will settle international disputes. They will hammer their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will no longer fight against nation, nor train for war anymore" (Is. 2.4). There won't be international disputes in eternity future, only in the millennial kingdom. And in the millennial kingdom there will no longer being nations fighting. That's not happening now.

    "No more shall there be in it an infant that lives but a few days, or an old man who does not fill out his days, for the child shall die a hundred years old, and the sinner a hundred years old shall be accursed" (Is. 65.20). Children die quickly through malnutrition or from being born into sin. Children will not die in eternity future. So this time spoken of if not now or eternity future, must be the future millennial kingdom. 10,000 children die of starvation every day or from other abuse.

    "For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea" (Hab. 2.14). This is certainly not the condition today. Most people I speak to reject the Lord.

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