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    Quote Originally Posted by Parture View Post
    "Since the first active instance was the Pharaoh hardening his own heart first then it is on him"
    Pharaoh as with all men had a heart perpetually hardened .. so all God needed to do was withdraw softening his heart and give him over to his own depravity! God does not tempt men to sin.. God just withdraws His grace .. and gives men over to their own evil nature to harden their hearts.. Pharaoh hardening his heart and God hardening the Pharaohs heart amounts to the same thing .. as to harden a heart .. God just lets men be men! The point is though, if God had CHOSEN to SOFTEN Pharaohs heart and BRING him to repentance.. He could have done it in an instant, but that was NOT His will! God was NOT trying and failing to bring Pharaoh to repentance! I am not being "doubletongued" all sin is the sinners responsibility .. so Piper WAS right.. God did not FORCE the Pharaoh to sin.. He just GAVE Pharaoh OVER to his evil nature ..KNOWING exacty what decision Pharaoh on his own would make.. and knowing the decision he would make was INESCAPABLE.. yet the Pharaoh was still making the decision of his own free will!

    Quote Originally Posted by Parture View Post
    "He draws everyone providing sufficient grace to us all whether special grace through the gospel or common grace afforded to all men so they are without excuse."
    These are YOUR words.. there is no scripture in the Bible that says this .. and Jesus says;

    John 15:16
    "You DID NOT CHOOSE ME, but I CHOSE YOU and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, ".

    Can you please explain Jesus clearly saying "YOU DID NOT CHOOSE ME" .. when you are emphatic .. claiming He gives all sufficient grace to come to Him all on their own and those who do... CHOSE HIM.. Please please .. please.. just make an attempt to explain that verse.. heretic!
    Last edited by Churchwork; 11-22-2013 at 04:30 PM. Reason: Removed hate filled comments which an infraction was issued for rather than deleting the entire post to be graceful

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