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    "And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" (Rev. 6.15-17)

    Immediately following Rev. 6.17 the Tribulation begins, therefore, prior to Rev. 7.1 the Tribulation has not occurred yet, not in Rev. 4,5 or 6.

    The 7th Seal opens up the 7 Trumpets of the Tribulation.

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    I disagree. The Great Tribulation is about the struggle of the Church against the power of the AntiChrist, and is based on persecution. The wrath of the Lamb is the wrath of God carried out against the wicked of the world, and is not manifested against the elect (1 Thessalonians 5:9). Therefore Revelation 6:17 cannot be the start of the Great Tribulation. Furthermore, Revelation 7:14 makes it clear that the Great Tribulation is before the Trumpet judgments, and is a part of the world chaos of the 2nd, 4th and 5th Seals.

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    I disagree with you. Where does the opening post say "the Great Tribulation" is not "about the struggle of the Church against the power of the AntiChrist" and is not "based on persecution"?

    Where does it say in the opening post Rev. 6.17 is the start of the Great Tribulation? The Great Tribulation is the last 3 1/2 years of the 7 year Tribulation. The Great Tribulation starts at Rev. 9.1, whereas the 7 years begins with Rev. 6.17. You can see this clearly in the first four trumpets in Revelation 8 that last 3 1/2 years followed by the Great Tribulation that begins in Rev. 9.1. It states the 1st woe is 5 months, the 2nd woe is 13 months and that leaves 24 months for the 3rd woe for a total of 42 months of the Great Trib.

    Rev. 7.14 is the tribulation of the past 20 centuries of the church age. For more on why this is read here. It is not the Great Tribulation we speak of when referring to the 2nd half of Daniel's prophecy. That's why some Bible versions says. All Rev. 7.14 is saying is it is those out of the past 20 centuries that are saved who went through many trials, e.g. 2nd century Smyrna church period thrown to the lions, etc.

    The trumpets are loud depicting the loudness involved in the events of the Tribulation lasting 7 years. Whereas the Seals of the past 20 centuries are opened in secret. Few understand their meaning. The 1st Seal there is a bow and arrow that looks like a cross, but the arrow has been shot giving Satan a deadly wound. Notice how the 1st 4 Seals are general in nature whereas the Trumpets and Bowls are specific. The reason those in the 5th Seal are told to wait a little longer is because the Tribulation is about to begin at that time lasting 7 years. The 6th Seal sets the stage for the Tribulation about to begin. This agrees with the great earthquake of 2010/11, black sackcloth sun Nov. 3, 2013 and the Tetrad 2014/15 in agreement with Joel 2.31 before the Great and Terrible day of the Lord begins. First the wrath commences with the Tribulation and is intensified in the bowls of wrath that are poured out at the 7th trumpet the last 24 months.

    Notice 1/4 die in the Seals but 1/3 die in the Great Tribulation. Obviously, these are two different periods of time.

    You don't have the blessing of Rev. 1.3.

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