My clinical death experience contradicts soul sleep! I talk to dead people

[Alan McDougall]

Your tone is unpleasant and mean , not loving but adamant that you ae Right and I am wrong. Have you ever been pronounced clinically dead? This smacks of someone who believes that Timbuktu is a myth, because you have never been there meant it does not exist. You almost called me a deluded liar I take serious umbrage to this!

I NEVER SAID I WENT TO ANY 3 HEAVEN READ MY POST AGAIN! Millions of loving born again Christians do not believe in soul sleep and can back it up with scripture, how do you know for certain they are wrong and you are right?.

You said the third heaven is about the future where the heck did you get this nonsense from , have you been there.?

READ WHAT IS WRITTEN BELOW.

http://graceambassadors.com/warnings...ith-soul-sleep

By Justin Johnson (I don't know him but agree completely with his comments)

The teaching of the mortality of the soul or “soul sleep” is not a novel teaching. Nor is it a new concept among those who recognize the mystery of Christ.

Though this doctrine is clearly unsupported by the Bible if taken in its literal English, it continues to be taught alongside the revelation of the mystery to the confusion of those searching the scriptures.

Below is a list of general problems that should be considered if you have been affected by the teachers of soul sleep.

Hopefully, we can become fully persuaded as to the truth as we consider all of scripture, in its context, and believing every word.

Problem Verses

There are multiple passages that show the dead are conscious after death.

• Matthew 12:40 (Jonah 2) – Jonah spoke as one from hell who was dead. Matthew 17:2-3 – Moses and Elias were talking with Jesus after their death.
  
  
  
  Matthew 22:31-32
  – Abraham was dead, but still living.
  
  
  Luke 16:19-31
  – Jesus tells the story of dead people speaking in hell. (Some wrongly think this is a parable. It is not. If soul sleep were true then the story is not only false, but the Lord is misleading his hearers as to what is real. This is significant evidence that the dead are not only conscious but can speak and feel.)
  
  
  Luke 23:43
  – Jesus says the malefactor will be in paradise with him “today”.
  
  
  1 Thessalonians 5:10
  – Whether they wake or sleep they live with the Lord.
  
  
  2 Corinthians 5:6-8
  – Paul explains that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
  
  
  2 Corinthians 12:2-4
  – Paul describes someone who heard things possibly out of his body.
  
  
  Philippians 1:23
  – Paul says that he would depart to be with Christ, not unconscious.
  
  
  Revelation 6:9-11
  – The soul is dead and is crying out to God.

Problem Definitions
Many of the concepts below are misunderstood, denied, or ignored by those who teach the unconscious dead.

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  Death does not mean unconsciousness, but rather separation. The only time it means cessation of activity is when it applies to the body.
  
  Body is not the soul; soul is not the body; spirit is not the soul.
  
  Sleep never refers to the soul or spirit. It only applies to the body.
  
  Man does not exist only in his body.

Problem Methods

To arrive at a belief in the unconscious state of the dead the wrong methods below must be used. Doctrines that rely on spiritualization and other languages do not provide a strong defense.

• Spiritualization is used to deny the literal meaning of many passages. Luke 16 is the most abused in this way. Language games are used to remove the English words (which do not provide evidence) and replace them with more ambiguous Greek and Hebrew.

Consequential Problems

There are serious practical consequences of the doctrine of the unconscious dead.

• It removes the comfort from the verses which speak to those facing death.
• The manipulated definitions used to support soul sleep have been used as a defense of annihilationism, no-hell, or universalism.
• The methods used to teach it can establish a negative pattern for spiritualizing other significant doctrinal passages.
• It engenders a doubtful approach to our Bible translations, perpetuating the idea that “the Greek word says” carries more weight than “the word of God says”.

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[Churchwork]

What is unpleasant and mean is deceit and lies even lies you believe to be true. False claims and trying to alter reality is ugly. Love does not do this. Humility does not accept lies. When you claim to have witnessed things in 3rd heaven you are claiming to have gone there as there is no where else these things can be that you claim you saw. But you were never there, because the aspects of your dream do not agree with the word of God of what 3rd heaven is like.

You claim millions of Christians can back up the claim of no soul sleep with Scripture, but your proclamation doesn't make it so. I gave you the verses to show soul sleep is true and therefore, your alleged 3rd heaven experience is false.

Matt. 12.40 does not say Hell. "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Matt. 17.2-3 is speaking of a future event of the millennial kingdom with Jesus, Moses and Elijah present. They are not resurrected yet, because nobody is according to 1 Thess. 4.14-18.

Matt. 22.31-32 is referencing Abraham living who most certainly will be living when he is resurrected.

Luke 16.19-31 says nothing of Hell. It is speaking of hades, the place of the dead. Nobody is in Hell yet. Antichrist will be the first to go to Hell. This is figurative language of those in soul sleep. Jesus is allowed to speak this way so that we may understand.

Luke 23.43 Paradise below is soul sleep, Abraham's bosom.

1 Thess. 5.10 Certainly they will be with the Lord when they are resurrected, that is, awaken. The time between soul sleep and resurrection can be thousands of years or just a day. It depends when a person came into this world and went to sleep.

2 Cor. 5.6-8 To be absent from the body is to be with the Lord, but the time is not stipulated from when that will be when resurrection takes place at the end of this age.

2 Cor. 12.2-4 Paul was in 3rd heaven in spirit able to see things, but he was not actually there physically. This was the same John experienced when he was taken up in spirit to 3rd heaven to witness the things he saw to write the book of Revelation.

Phil. 1.23 does not preclude a time of being unconscious before resurrection.

Rev. 6.9-11 because they are raptured to 3rd heaven (not yet but at the first rapture) they cry out to the Lord and the Lord says to them wait a little longer till the rest of their brethren come in during the Tribulation. The 7 year Tribulation hasn't started yet. Remember, rapture and resurrection takes place at the end of this age. Nobody has been raptured to 3rd heaven yet. Nobody has been given a new body yet, not even Enoch and Elijah who were raptured, for they return as the Two Witnesses yet to die. 3.5 days after they go to rest they will be given new bodies when they are resurrected.

Death has several meanings in Scripture. One is separation. Another is soul sleep.

Man is tripartite: spirit, soul, body (Heb. 4.12). You can't come before the high priest naked which is what you are proposing. We are living souls with a body and a spirit. Without any one of these components we would be in soul sleep.

Sleep refers to our spirit without a body. Hence the need for resurrection. Our spirit at rest like a computer turned off saves all the information; when contact is made with a new body, man's living soul is reactivated like turning the computer back on.

Man exists in spirit, soul and body, not body only, not spirit only, not soul only, nor spirit and soul only. Angels are spirits. Man is a living soul.

Rejecting soul sleep is spiritualizing, for these spiritualizers claim people are in heaven without bodies and there are in spirit communications with them when in reality they are evil spirits and demons masquerading as loved ones.

There are significant problems of rejecting those in soul sleep. 1 Thess. 4.18 says "wherefore comfort one another with these words." Comfort yourselves with the fact we whom are saved will be resurrected together. There is not some party going on it heaven and a bunch of people waiting at the gates as we keep dying and immediately go there. No such instance in Scripture is given so why enter into the cult mentality that such exists now? Are you Christian? Why alter God's word?

Soul sleep does not support annihilationism, but opposes it, since those in soul sleep are all to be resurrected whether from the good side of Hades (Paradise below) or the bad side 1000 years after the elect. Soul sleep doesn't support no-Hell, but distinguishes the place of soul sleep not being Hell. Soul sleep doesn't support universalism, for obviously those in the bad side of Hades go to Hell and those in the good side go to be with Jesus in the New City.

As we have seen the dangers of denying soul sleep are false communications and false dreams and false outer body experiences with evil spirits passing off as loved ones. Great deception abounds.

The word of God says nobody is in heaven yet, but these spiritualizers say they are. Since they can find not one passage to support their claim, I pray that you will reject their stance in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Dozens of verses support soul sleep. Please study them carefully,
http://biblocality.com/forums/entry....r-Resurrection
http://biblocality.com/forums/conten...-Place-of-Rest

I responded to all your attempts but notice how avoid all the verses I gave. Please. This is not a one way conversation. Participate and respond to what shows nobody is in heaven yet and nobody has been resurrected yet from soul sleep.

[Faithful]

Consider this fact. Gen. 1.1 says God created perfectly. It doesn't say how long it took. We know it to be 13.7 billion years.

Gen. 1.2 says God made desolate and waste (about 65 million years ago) due to the sin of the inhabitants of earth's earlier ages (200 million to 65 million years ago). There were about 65 million years from the desolation to the restoration and Adam and Eve.

Similarly there is a time to be with the Lord after being in soul sleep, but for each person that time is different because we are all born at different times and die at different times. But the person in soul sleep when he wakes will not notice any time has passed because he was unconscious the whole time. 1 Thess. 4.18 is very important to comfort each other with these words that we will be resurrected together, thus, nobody has gone to 3rd heaven yet nor Hell either. When the books are opened the determination is enacted for those who go to Hell.

Nobody immediately goes to heaven or hell upon death. There is the interim period of soul sleep either in Abraham's bosom (Paradise below, good side of Hades) or where the Rich Man went (bad side of Hades).

The Scriptures have proven this fact. Read the many verses supplied here,
http://biblocality.com/forums/entry....r-Resurrection
http://biblocality.com/forums/conten...-Place-of-Rest