The Disingenuousness of Atheists

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I have never stooped to this low a level of ad hominem attacks as you are doing now. And calling me disingenuous because I disagree with you? Now all of a sudden I have to contend with your emotional baggage and animosity for people who disagree with you?

No, that is not the reason I said you were disingenuous. The reason you are disingenuous as I already said is because you come to the table with a blatant contradiction that you will have to let go of for a more forthright conversation between us.

It is quite disingenuous to harbor a blatant contradiction such as saying You don't believe in God because you are not sure if He exists. Making a decision to already not believe in Him even though you admit you don't have evidence either way is quite disingenuous. You're just being dishonest with yourself.

Why is it that you are allowed to employ ad hominem attacks but I can't? I am not saying I have, for I provided evidence for the conclusion you are disingenuous and lack humility to see your contradiction. It's time to grow up and stop being so immature. To copy your own words, you're just being "weird and silly." What is in your heart is full of hostility to your Creator. There is no doubt about that! Where's the humility in that? I am not sure how you could expect me to respect such an attitude as this that you have.

You appealed to your "good intentions," but you know what they say about good intentions, they pave the way to Hell. Self-righteousness masqueraded as good intentions is not good at all. I suggest you come to the table by dropping this contradiction. You're going to have to let your "good self" as well as your "petty self" die even on the cross.

So the word in the English language that has always meant belief God does not exist remains the same word it always has been. You don't get to change it to mean the same thing as Agnosticism to deflect away from the fact that Atheists do in fact believe God does not exist. That's a red herring. That simply will not do.

If you want to continue this conversation, I suggest you address this belligerency of yours immediately. And I will continue to pray for your understanding.

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you have to post my comments on a blog forum

Yes of course. I left out all your ad hominems such as "creepy" and "weird" as that is not constructive to our conversation, though it does show you have a doublestandard because you accuse of ad hominems but apparently it is ok for you to commit these sins. Shame you on. Not too ethical are you? I found the need to post your comments here to not just expose you for posterity (every year a copy of this page gets saved on the Internet Archive for eternity), but to get you to be more forthright with me, because in our private discussion, frankly, you were boring me with your repetitive errors in logic.

Although belief need not be contingent upon logic (we can believe things for irrational reasons), it is perfectly logical to withhold belief, or not believe in a particular claim, until evidence has been presented that makes that claim believable. This is perfectly logical. I would describe such a state as a state of disbelief. Disbelief does not require certainty, and is entirely logical if the evidence provided is not convincing enough to merit belief. I don't need to be certain that no evidence exists that I am not aware of. I need only maintain a healthy skepticism as I await more information, and in the mean time assess the veracity of a claim based on the evidence at hand.

Certainly someone can believe something illogically, but that is my whole point that you are being dishonest with yourself and disingenuous with others for doing so. Withholding belief is Agnostic. One withholds a belief because they are not sure. This is not the same thing as believing God does not exist which is what Atheists do. "Disbelief" according to the M-W dictionary is "mental rejection of something as untrue." Rejecting something as untrue is to claim it is not true. So what you call disbelief is in fact believing God does not exist. Here again, we see you trying to change the meaning of words already established.

Furthermore, we are not talking about probabilities here just the simple error in your thinking that God does not exist even though you admit you don't have evidence either way. This is disingenuous, not coming to the table honestly and sincerely. On the other hand if you choose to renounce your atheism and become agnostic then we are in a position to move forward to examine the proof for God which I would be happy to do so with you personally when you are ready.

This is where you seem to be making your logical error. You seem to be asserting that disbelief requires certainty or complete knowledge--omniscience really. It does not.

I never said that. Why assume I believe something that I don't? You love your assumptions don't you? Hopefully, you will reconsider some of your words now that you know I am posting your responses online so I can speak to a more thoughtful person. I am hoping and praying.

I would posit that it is illogical for me to claim to know with certainty that no such evidence exists, or that the claim is definitely false. It's illogical because I would need to be omniscient to know with certainty

What you are experiencing in this claim of yours is called the "petty self" which is entirely illogical. As I said before we are not talking about probabilities. That is not the issue. Even so, the fact is, you can know with 100% certainty there are no square circles or married bachelors. Likewise, God has given us the proof of His existence and exactly who He is with 100% certainty, but you simply just don't want to hear that proof. You shut your mind down through your red herring, misdirecting by trying to change the time tested word Atheism into Agnosticism so there is no word in the English language for not believing in God because of not believing in His existence.

Though you don't have a conscience to realize this unethical contradiction and disingenuous slight of hand, a person of faith can easily see the games you play. Just know this blockage in your heart that you set up through this contradiction is the very thing that is preventing you to take a step towards the uncreated Creator. My job and responsibility incumbent on me is simply to keep pointing out this disingenuous nature of your reasoning until as soon as you repent, have a change of mind, to move to the next level.