Re: rotomi89 @ Youtube

Quote Originally Posted by rotomi89
You state that nature must have a cause (which i´ll agree for the sake of argument) and you demonstrate this by pointing out that everything in nature does not come from nothing nor is eternal. But then you state that this cause HAS to be a conscious being (which we call God) and you base this statement on nothing. Although you provide proof for the existence of a "cause" you don´t provide anything for claiming that this cause has to be a being. And this is your argument from ignorance, for you claim that this must be God, because no other option has been presented.
The uncreated Creator which is proven must have a mind because a mind is needed to create a mind. And the uncreated Creator can't have morals below our own so must have a conscience and can't be amoral. You're special pleading for a mindless uncreated Creator is meaningless so shall you live your life meaningless, but that violates the principle a mind is needed to create a mind and must have a conscience as we do.

To claim that this cause is in fact God, you have to demonstrate it. And since you haven´t, the lable "argument from ignorance" applies to your argument. Until you demonstrate that this "cause" is actually God, the only answer we can have for the question "what is natures cause of existence?" is "we don´t know". Say that it has to be God because we just don´t see any other option is a statement founded on ignorance.
When we say God we mean uncreated Creator that the Creator both created and is uncreated. The only other additional aspects of our discussion that are relevant is that God would have a mind, a conscience, is accessible and is personal for we have these qualities, and God can't be below us. The greater is never less than the created by definition. God transgresses all.

You're regressing in your statements. Remember, the uncreated Creator is proven to exist because nature can't always have existed nor start up from nothing. Do you need to go over this proof again? Acknowledge this fact!

After you make this extraordinary statement of "We have proof for who God is" you don´t show ANY PROOF AT ALL. You just start talking about how faith is supposedly founded on evidence and then you talk about those who wont accept the evidence even if they see it and then you start talking about me not been a real christian and that i will go to hell and bla bla bla bla... All that time you talked about the evindece WITHOUT SAYING WHAT THE EVIDENCE IS.
We are first establishing with you the uncreated Creator exists. If you can't overturn the proof given then acknowledge the existence of the uncreated Creator. Don't continue to shut your mind down. The next step is to examine the "proof for who God is." Don't worry about who God is yet until you first accept the proof for the uncreated Creator being. It's true many people have the evidence right in the front of them but they shut their minds down. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.

Of course you are not a Christian because you admit you could be wrong about your faith. A Christian has no such doubt. We had a born-again experience, made new creations of God undeniable and irrefutable. You have no such real life experience in your "blind faith." You're in your head, not in your spirit.

We know by the proof of both the uncreated Creator and who the Creator is that we who are born-again are once-saved-always-saved. God chose us before the foundations of the world. Assuming you stay as you are then obviously God never chose you because He could foresee your free choice to eternally reject Him. How sad for you that that is the type of person you want to be.

My prayer is one day you give your life to Christ for real this time not in some fake or pretentious way. Amen.