1 Timoth 4.10 is the Best Vese to Destroy Calvinism

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Centuries ago, the Calvinist such as John Calvin if he didn't outright kill the Christian would kick the Christian out of town. But if the Christian returned, and still wasn't killed, nor banished again, he would be ostracized for speaking up about the truth. How unrighteous!

Yet the burden of the proof remains on the Calvinist to deal with this evidence in the opening post. Even today this condition persists, because if you spoke up against Calvinism in a Calvinist group setting, you would not last long I assure you. Is that any way to treat a Christian by banishing him for life?

Sadly, the Calvinist does not address these problems such as that posed by 1 Timothy 4:40 and misread by Calvinists. This is the nature of ceding ground to demonic possession by shutting one's mind down when confronted with a problem. This is how all cults operate, because in the end they have to shut their minds down to their immoral behavior and logical fallacies.

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Re: simplelife @ CARM

No, if you use the term "specifically" then the problem goes away, so you are mistaken. The meaning then becomes, "God is the saviour of all kinds of men, to be very specific, he is the saviour of all who believe"

So then there would be no redundancy, only further clarity of meaning.

"Specially" in the lexicon is "malista" which very clearly means "especially, chiefly, most of all, above all" and not particularly or specifically. Therefore, trying to insert a clarification rather than a subset is totally altering the meaning of word "specially" we know very well in the English language. "Above all" is quite unlike "specifically" or "particularly".

Too much violence is done to the Scripture in the Calvinistic way, both in the first half and the second half of the sentence. "All men" is not all men, for the love is just not there to do so, and "especially" is just a clarification, not a special group at all.

In conclusion, when the Calvinist can't fit in his interpretation through a multitude of insertions rather than the simple and plain reading, he will resort to drastically changing the meaning of words.

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Well, you claimed that "specifically" lead to the same contradiction. You are wrong. If you want to claim that the greek cannot mean that, then that is a different issue. Get your facts straight.

You've, nonetheless, avoided the problem that there is no justification anywhere to be found to change the word "specially" into "specifically" which renders Calvinism just as false as it ever was.

"God is the Savior of all men, [specifically] those who believe" remains nonsensically redundant if you don't mess with the first half of the sentence where "all men" are "all men" Jesus died on the cross for. But if you mess with both halves of the sentence, it only shows you can alter any sentence in the Bible to mean anything you want it to me.

Furthermore, God saves (regenerates) those who believe. It doesn't say "God is the Savior of all men, specially those who [were regenerated to] believe". So much violence is needed to interpret it your way. So you can see no matter how you try to alter it, it remains nonsensically redundant.