Re: mcmadbat3
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Quote Originally Posted by mcmadbat3
dude if god can be the uncaused cause then so can the universe , we know way more about the universe than about god.
Since God is infinitely great and the universe is not, we will never know as much about God as we know about the universe, since God is infinitely greater than the universe. Thanks for proving God. While God can be uncaused, the universe cannot because if the universe always existed you would have happened already having had an eternity to do so. So you lose, you're going to Hell.

it is not true something can't come from nothing, particles appear in space randomly for a fraction of a second then decays. The 2nd law of thermodynamics is techincally inaccurate as there is something called anti-matter, if you collide one positron to a electron , they both dissapere.
Anti-matter is still something, not nothing; just as dark energy and dark matter are also.

There is no reason for you to think those particles come non-existence. Decay is a causal reaction even if we don't understand the process on the quantum unseeable level. The particles that collide don't produce non-existence but transform into another kind of matter or anti-matter. Since you have no hard evidence something comes from nothing and you were not able to overturn the 2nd law of thermodynamics, realize you are wrong, living a lie and going to Hell because you refuse God's saving grace.

Remember, alleging something is true is not the same thing as proving it. All we can do is go with the evidence, that being, there are trillions and trillions of causes we know for sure, and no hard evidence to the contrary. This is an overwhelming preponderance of evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. Let us not be so arrogant to think just because we are not smart enough to see the cause, therefore there is no cause or ridiculously think that which does not exist which has no energy, time, space or any feature at all except does not exist can cause anything. That's a goofy fantasy life. Don't be a goofball.

if god is infinitely great, why can't he just say:" the devil is evil, ill just kill him" it is in his power to do anything, even make my a christian then. And I fail to see how I proved god.
If God were to just throw the Devil in Hell right now then God could be blamed for doing so not giving Satan ample time to repent. And also, people would not have the choice to follow him. God can't change the world the way you want because then then we would not truly be made in God's image with true authentic free will. We would just be a bunch of robots and automatons which is an immoral creation. God wants fellowship with lively beings with free will and made in His image while you do not. To force you to be a Christian which is what Calvinism teaches is evil, since an alleged loved forced on someone is not love at all. A person who is forced to change his mind is of the same opinion still.

Yes you proved God exists because you admit you know way more about the universe than God, showing God is infinitely greater than the universe. If we knew more about God than the universe then the universe would have authority and not God.

If the universe always existed you would have an eternity to do so? What the hell is that supposed to mean and prove anything? Space and time is the same thing, you don't need space to create time, you don't need time to create space. And even if a god is real, how do you know your god is real?
It is just as it is said, if the universe always existed as you claim, you would have happened already having had an eternity to do so. You would have come and gone, yet you are here, thus proving your idea false.

I agree space and time are one, so you should have happened already having had an eternity to do so. It gets even weirder. You also should never have existed because there would have been an eternity going on before so as to never reach this point, so you should never have come into being.

Now that you know God exists find out who He is, for He is personal and inaccessible, unlike nature. A loving, accessible and personal God is better than one who is not. A mind is needed to create a mind, but nature has no mind. Conscience and consciousness, volition and feelings and intuition are needed to produce a being with these qualities.

The difference between Christianity and all other religions is all other religions are salvation by works not by faith, yet no man can be saved by works lest any man should boast. How can a man save himself by works when no works are pleasing to God? They all fall short of the glory of God! A sinner himself can never bridge the gap between himself and God. Satan says you can though. Only God can do it! And only in Christianity does God Himself through Jesus enter creation to pay for our sins. There is no greater love, no God more personal and accessible. You really wouldn't want to live a world without Jesus being God.

Since you can't find a naturalistic explanation for the origin of the disciples' beliefs, realize you admit Jesus is God, but you would prefer to go to Hell to be eternally separated from God because you don't receive what He did for you.

How sad for you.