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    Thumbs down Calvinsts are under possession, for they can't sense why the god of Calvinism is evil

    Why do you keep avoiding these points (summarized below and summed up by the 6 Major Sins of Calvinism)?

    Your mistaken assumptions are as follows (overassuming, reading into the text that which is not supported by the text):

    1. Claiming Lydia worshiped God in vain when Acts 16.14 says she positively "worshiped God" so she "heard us" just like those who had believed in God and the coming Messiah though Christ had not yet come. In your first bringing this up at the outset there is not shown conclusively irresistible regeneration and there being no free-will involved even if Lydia did not believe in God, so adding your thought into the text is without foundation. "As she listened to us, the Lord opened her heart, and she accepted what Paul was saying" (v.14). Praise the Lord! Very emphatically, "She was a worshiper of God"! So As she listened to us, God opened her heart. Someone who already believes in God would surely accept the Son of God, for the Son of God is the 2nd Person in the Godhead.

    2. Claiming a person can't be baptized for service at any other time other than the day they were born-again!? Please. That's not free will. There is no such demand made in Scripture for baptism required on the day of new birth, being made a new creation of God.

    3. You falsely accused, "Your comment made it appear as if Paul wrote it." You're sinning bearing false witness since you can't and don't even try to prove your allegation.

    4. You do assume you were regenerated without having to prior repent and believe in Christ to be regenerated. And this is why you are not born-again, because God wants a real and genuine heartfelt relationship not an assuming one and in your head.

    5. There are no verses in the Bible that teach you have to be regenerated before you can believe in Christ. Therefore, it is clear you are pridefully assuming regeneration without the prerequisite of true repentance and faith. How sad for you that this is the way you want to be-the tares trying to look the saved wheat as you worship a false Christ.

    6. The issue is not whether God provides the grace (for obviously He does), but whether God provides sufficient grace to all to give us the opportunity for salvation to freely obtain the gift of repentance and faith to believe on Him. Since Jesus died on the cross for all, this shows Calvinism is evil. A further rationalizing to claim God has a secret will in which He doesn't want all to be saved and a revealed will that He does want all to be saved is a contradiction, and a true and loving God does not contradict Himself.

    7. The tense used in "as many as were ordained to eternal life believed" (Acts 13.48b) does not specify in Greek that the ordained is not depending on foreknowing the person's choice to believe.

    8. None of the verses you quoted suggest Total depravity, but only willfulness and propensity to sin, not Total inability. Since you can't get the Bible to agree with you, you should repent of the heresy of the biggest TULIP bubble in history: the 5 points of Calvinism. As an aside, did you know Martin Luther who was a Total depravist is the guy responsible in the 1500's for putting the Christmas tree in a home? He subsequently moved it to England and was later sent to North America. "Thus saith the LORD, LEARN NOT THE WAY OF THE HEATHEN, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. THEY DECK IT WITH SILVER AND WITH GOLD; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not" (Jer. 10.2-4). With a properly functioning conscience it should be embarrassing for Calvinists that they feel compelled to high jack the Sardis Reformation of "justification by faith" and tack onto it TULIP's and Christmas Trees.

    9. The first active instance of hardening was the Pharaoh hardening his own heart first without any mention of God doing the hardening as in the latter instances. I can understand your desire to separate yourself from the embarrassment of Piper contradicting his Calvinism faith by his admitting the first active instance was the Pharaoh hardening his own heart first. Who is being more true to their Calvinism? While Piper is convicted by the clear reading of the text the first active hardening was the Pharaoh hardening his own heart first, Brian you shut your mind down and just insert God did it without giving the Pharaoh the choice in the matter, making the god of Calvinism evil-thus, true to form! I think you are being more true to Calvinism than Piper is, because Piper's conscience at least convicts him, though he will have to come up with a rationalization somehow to deal with it. Then you could ask yourself, who's hell is going to be worse? All else being equal I would have to say Brian, your hell will be worse than Piper's because your conscience is more seared than Piper's. You'll insert whatever you need to obnoxiously. To hell with evidence and clear delineation.

    10. Acts 22.15: "For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard." All means all, not just some all men. "For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit" (1 Pet. 3.18). Not just some unrighteous, but all unrighteous, that whosoever is willing may be brought into that sure death on the cross with Christ and made alive in the spirit. Amen.

    11. John 6.65: "No man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." Nobody could be saved without the Father giving us to the Son; nowhere do we find in Scripture the giving is done by irresistibly drawing them without regard for our choice, for many "draw back unto perdition" (Heb. 10.39). To draw back indicates there were was God's initial drawing as He draws all men unto Himself.

    12. John 12.32: " And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." This is God providing sufficient grace to all, all things summing up in Christ, not that the elect are irresistibly drawn. You've misread this verse and your pride oozes out in self-exaltation. If this really was a world of irresistibly moved chess pieces and reprobate damned from birth without the opportunity for salvation, who is to say you are not a child of Hell, for it was never your choice? Just like Washer tries to put on a show to compensate for his selfish salvation, you work hard for your salvation too, because you don't really know if you are saved or not as it was never your choice. You could just as easily being the reprobate. Who can know for sure! So false hope is giving to the reprobate of the gospel of Calvinism in quite a sadistic fashion.

    13. You said, "Matthias was not a legitimate apostle"!? Acts 1.26 says, "Matthias...was numbered with the eleven apostles" as an Apostle. There were other Apostles to select from such as those in the 70, but Matthias was selected to be one of the 12. Nowhere do we find in Scripture your claim "Paul was the twelfth apostle." How absurd! Paul was an Apostle, not one of the 12 Apostles. Paul was saved about two years after the cross and didn't meet the Apostles Peter and James until three years after that. The Church was not missing a 12th Apostles for 5 years. Silly. Just as Jesus was seen "then of the twelve" (1 Cor. 15.5), He was also seen "then of all the Apostles" (v.7). And last of all he was seen by Paul. Praise the Lord!

    Matthias was "chosen to take place in this ministry and apostleship" (Acts 1.24,25) as an Apostle. Realize the glaring contradiction of mistakenly claiming Matthias was not an Apostle but "then the twelve" (1 Cor. 15.5) saw Jesus alive from the dead during the 40 days. What 12? According to you there are only 11. Ask yourself, how do you get more than 11 apostles witnessing Jesus alive from the dead but Matthias is not an Apostle and Paul didn't get saved until at least 2 years after the cross? Your assumption denying the Apostles are for today is a heresy of grandest denomic intent that tries to do damage to God's Church. You're a heathen so I understand your attitude: false tare trying to look like the saved wheat. You're just another false Christian trying to usurp himself against God's will likely for filthy lucre and special teaching that will grab the fleshly. Since there were two notable Apostles to select from, we know there were at least 13, but since there were some Apostles among the 70, the 120 and the 500, we know these are "then of all the Apostles" (1 Cor. 15.7). You're a bad guy Brain. You're going to Hell because you refuse to repent and believe in Christ to be regenerated. That is the nature of being a Calvinist -- a selfish salvation! Naturally the way you read most of the Bible is by a "strange spirit."

    "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers" (Eph. 4.11). Is Paul lying? Of course not. In 95 AD, what a strange calling of John who is the last remaining of the 12 Apostles to say these words if there are no other Apostles alive. Brian, you're Satanic to reject the Apostles. "I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars" (Rev. 2.2). If there were not any Apostles in 95 AD, John should have simply said there are no more Apostles, but he says test those who call themselves Apostles because there are Apostles today. Just as there are false Christians in Matthew 13 such as Calvinists, there are false Apostles who try to make themselves out to be true Apostles.

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    Dave Hunt says God loves all people; what saith the Scriptures?

    Psa. 9:17: "The wicked shall be turned into HELL...."

    Yes, in the Book of Acts people were baptized on the same day they were saved (Acts 2:41, Acts 8:12-13, Acts 10:47-48, Acts 18:8). I don't contend churches today are committing a sin by not baptizing people the same day they're saved, but that is how the Apostles did it.

    The Scriptures never once tell us HOW to be born again; it simply is stated as a necessity, for it is a miracle of creation performed by God Himself.

    You wrote, "This is a permanent infraction for your false teaching of gibberish babble." Very interesting. UNREGENERATE people held the same view of Christ, for the Scripture saith (Jn. 10:20), "And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?"

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    According to your beliefs then God does not love you Brain!

    You're repeating yourself desperately instead of responding in kind. As was said before, to repeat and hopefully you will address this time, of course the wicked are turned into Hell, but because they refuse God's love dying on the cross for the sins of the whole world, not because they were denied sufficient grace to have the opportunity. How absurd! If such behavior would be evil for us why not for your god? Thus, you make God into your own image, by the evil spirit indwelling your innerman devoid of the Holy Spirit.

    Do you believe Jesus died for the sins of all? No? Then you are not a Christian, because Christians don't worship an evil god.

    "The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!" (John 1.29); "we know that this is indeed the Christ, the Savior of the world" (John 4.42); "we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world" (1 John 4.14); "He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world" (1 John 2.21); "He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone" (Heb. 2.9); "Since we believe that Christ died for everyone, we also believe that we [Christians] have all died to the old life we used to live" (2 Cor. 5.14); "...we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe" (1 Tim. 4.10); "For God so loved the world...that the world through him might be saved" (John 3.16,17). This is not Total depravity: "Killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you!" (Matt. 23.37a); rather it is free will of evil men committing these acts. "How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not!" (v.37b) which is sufficient grace to all.

    Not everyone was baptized the same day they were saved in the Bible. You can't ask someone to do something they are not ready to do. Otherwise it is superficial and vain. That's forcing it like the evil tyrant that Calvin was, the Protest murderous Pope of Geneva.

    The Scripture never tells us how to be born-again? "What must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved" (Acts 16.30-31). In Calvinism, selfishly, you erect the idol of Total depravity so you make yourself unable to repent and believe in Christ to be regenerated. So you opt out for assuming regeneration you were irresistibly made to believe, but of course, this is a selfish salvation. God will not receive you that way. There is only one way to be saved and that's God's way which He clearly delineates in His word.

    Since there is no gibberish babble in the Bible, you're just trying to teach this cultic behavior to swarm up emotions into allegiance to your heresies. Yes they seem mad, but so do those who spread the word of God in another language, for their words filled with emotion and spirit sound like gibberish babble to one who does not understand that language, but those words are not foreign to the speaker. He knows what he is saying. What is said is "unknown" to the hearer. How foolish you are! You're trying to erect another idol of gibberish babble which was used by a second century cult called Montanism.

    There are more than 12 Apostles and Apostles evey century. You're still avoiding James, brother of Jesus, who was an Apostle (please do so in the appropriate thread), http://biblocality.com/forums/showth...=6907#post6907

    My prayer is one day you give your life to Christ to be saved the way God saves and not your way. Amen.

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    Dave Hunt says God loves all people; what saith the Scriptures?

    Psa. 9:17: "The wicked shall be turned into HELL...."
    Last edited by Churchwork; 12-14-2009 at 12:33 AM. Reason: Removed redundancy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by briancook007 View Post
    Dave Hunt says God loves all people; what saith the Scriptures?

    Psa. 9:17: "The wicked shall be turned into HELL...."
    The very first thing you said was wrong.

    We need a new approach because we are not getting anywhere you repeating yourself avoiding the response, so let's see if we can deal with one issue first and then move to the next. What makes you think that Jesus did not love all people enough so that Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the whole world?

    You said, What saith the Scriptures? But where does Ps. 9.17 agree with you that just because some people perish that that means God did not love them enough to die on the cross for them to give them the choice to be saved by grace through faith?

    Furthermore, you are using a faulty text (KJV, NKJV) of the Bible for this particular passage. Psalms 9.17 reads, "The wicked shall depart to Sheol, all the nations that forget God" (RSV; Darby, HNV, ASV, NASB, ESV, NIV, NLT also agree). Sheol is not Hell. Hell is the Lake of Fire. Sheol (Hades) will be thrown into Hell we read in Revelation 20.

    Those nations that forget God will die out, hence they go to "the grave" (Ps. 9.17 NLT*, NIV* - Footnote Sheol). They will go down to the bad side of Hades (or Sheol) where the Rich Man went.

    Lazarus and the Repentant Thief went down to the good side of Hades of the Grave (Jews call it Paradise below), called Abraham's Bosom from which they will be resurrected 1000 years before those in the bad side of Hades.

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    No, sir, Mr. Hunt said God loves all people; that is NOT biblical.

    No, sir, the fact of the matter is that YOU are not getting anywhere because the Word of God has exposed your Arminian heresy to be the false doctrine that it is; obviously, this is why your tone has quailed.

    What makes me think Jesus didn't die for the reprobate? What makes me think He hates them? What saith the Scriptures?

    Rom. 8:29-34: "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for US ALL, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay any thing to the charge of GOD'S ELECT? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us."
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    Quote Originally Posted by briancook007 View Post
    No, sir, Mr. Hunt said God loves all people; that is NOT biblical.

    No, sir, the fact of the matter is that YOU are not getting anywhere because the Word of God has exposed your Arminian heresy to be the false doctrine that it is; obviously, this is why your tone has quailed.

    What makes me think Jesus didn't die for the reprobate? What makes me think He hates them? What saith the Scriptures?

    Rom. 8:29-34: "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for US ALL, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay any thing to the charge of GOD'S ELECT? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us."
    First He foreknows. What does He foreknow? He foreknows our free-choice among other things. In seeing who receives His mercy and grace, He predestinates it.

    The clear mistake you are making in reading Romans 8.29-34 is that instead of reading it as a looking back upon our salvation (knowing God chose us), you read it as irresistibly being forced into salvation and that God doesn't love people to die for the sins of the whole world. You assume too much which feeds your pride; or should I say, because of pride and disingenuousness in the falsity of the salvation that you want which God does not provide, you assume too much and read into the text that which is not there.

    Your approach is to repost recopied large amount of text without responding personally and specifically which is a way to shut your mind down. Nobody has the time to respond to it by having to simply repeat ourselves over again to your belligerency, obstinacy and unwillingness to deal specifically in kind. You're trying to be unethical by using a filibuster. So the Holy Spirit has shown me how to handle this problem.

    The first thing you said was wrong. Let's deal with it. I think this new approach is going to be more effective, because if I continue to throw pages of information at you, you buckle up and just repeat yourself like a drone instead of of dealing with the response given. We will deal with everything in good time, but for now I am just responding to the very first thing you say which as we have seen is always wrong. I think this is a proper personal Christian response to help you get out of your creaturely habit of repetitive self-rationalizing. It also helps me not waste time having to repeat myself ad infinitum.

    What makes you think that in God foreknowing whom would be saved means that God does not love all enough to die on the cross for all our sins to saved us whosoever is willing? Romans 8.29-34 is looking back upon our (Christian) salvation; not a Calvinist irresistibly imposed salvation that was without any need for prior repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. In no way does Romans 8 suggest that God didn't die on the cross for the sins of the world. You must insert U, L and I of TULIP into the text as it clearly does not say that.

    "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out" (Acts 3.19). Does God offer us salvation when He says "come unto me" (Matt. 11.28) because we have free-will: "If any...whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely" (John 7.37, Rev. 22.17)? A child who reads this could not read it any other way. Hence, Calvinism is false.

    "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life" (Rom. 5.18). "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2.4). All men can be saved "whosoever should believeth" (John 3.16) "to the knowledge of truth" and "unto justification of life." This is a parallelism. Same "all men." This is not different all men but a comparing of the same all men, that Jesus died for all men. A free gift is not free if it is irresistibly imposed on someone. What love is this?

    "Yes, Adam's one sin brought condemnation upon everyone, but Christ's one act of righteousness makes all people right in God's sight and gives them life" (Rom. 5.18 NLT). God's grace is upon us all that whosoever is willing may be saved by grace through faith.

    Do you believe Jesus died for the sins of all? "The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!" (John 1.29); "we know that this is indeed the Christ, the Savior of the world" (John 4.42); "we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world" (1 John 4.14); "He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world" (1 John 2.21); "He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone" (Heb. 2.9); "Since we believe that Christ died for everyone, we also believe that we [Christians] have all died to the old life we used to live" (2 Cor. 5.14); "...we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe" (1 Tim. 4.10); "For God so loved the world...that the world through him might be saved" (John 3.16,17).

    "For God so loved the world..." The god of Calvinism doesn't love the world, nor does he love his enemies, but the Bible says "love your enemy" (Matt. 5.44) just as God does. Even though sinners are enemies of God, God loves them having died on the cross for the sins of the whole world.

    Jesus died for the sins of the whole world because He loves everyone. We also believe we have died to the old life we use to live so we come out of the world. God is the Savior of all men everywhere, so He loves us all to die on the cross for all our sins, but He loves those who are born-again especially of all, because He is going to be with us who were willing and wanted to be kept (knowing we couldn't keep ourselves) for eternity in the New City. Praise the Lord!

    While Arminians account for these verses, Calvinists cannot see both groups of verses where Jesus loves the world but especially loves those who believe on Him; thus, they worship an evil god, an evil and impotent tyrant, who must resort to irresistibly imposing a false salvation on people through a false conversion experience (often called "easy-believism" by "stacking the deck").

    Brian, the reason you work so hard to rationalize your view is because you are stuck in your head (soulical) and not walking by a quickened spirit with God's life. You assume your alleged salvation wasn't your choice. Realize, though, it was you choice. You chose to assume you were irresistibly forced into it. Satan forces. God never infringes on our freewill. But, you don't really know if you are saved or not because it wasn't your choice you believe, so all you can do is work for it and hope your works-based salvation works out. Regeneration does not take place in your soul, but in the spirit by the Holy Spirit when God gives you a new spirit with His uncreated life. He gives eternal life to those who repented and believe in Him. We whom are saved received His shed blood for forgiveness of sins and in co-death on the cross with Christ. You still have not received this because you worship a false Christ who resembles Hitler, Neron Kaisar and the Protestant Pope of Geneva. Sadly, you don't have a conscience to see this even after it has been explained to you so many times. But why don't you see? Because you don't want to. You don't come to God with an honest heart.

    "Killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you" (Matt. 23.37a) is not because of Total depravity. Rather, it is the free will of evil men committing these acts. They were not forced to do it by the god of Calvinism, the author of evil and sin, which we know to be Satan. "How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not!" (v.37b) describes for us the sufficiency of God's grace. The Calvinist does not know the love of God. And that's why Jesus doesn't know Calvinists.

    "What must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved" (Acts 16.30-31).

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    Dave Hunt says God loves all people; what saith the Scriptures?

    Psa. 9:17: "The wicked shall be turned into HELL...."
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    Quote Originally Posted by briancook007 View Post
    Dave Hunt says God loves all people; what saith the Scriptures?

    Psa. 9:17: "The wicked shall be turned into HELL...."
    What makes you think that since the wicked shall be turned into Hell that God doesn't love them enough to have provided the opportunity for salvation? All you did was repost what you said before like a clanging bell instead of addressing this.

    Do you see how you use this verse as evidence for your beliefs but the verse doesn't say what you say it says at all. You have to read into the verse that which is not there.

    Once you acknowledge this, let's move onto the next thing you said. The common problem with all your thoughts (which we have been repeatedly addressed) is assuming by erecting an idol called Total depravity which says you can't repent and believe in Christ, so you won't and you don't. This keeps you unsaved.

    Our goal here is to assume nothing. Let's see if you can take a baby step in that direction.

    God is pleading with you but you deny Him. "What must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved" (Acts 16.30-31). That would be strange if you couldn't respond when we see God is pleading with you, or you were irresistibly selected anyway making God's work of drawing people to Him irrelevant. I can tell by the way you think you don't know God's grace.

    Since you refuse to repent and believe in Christ to be regenerated, as you admit you can't because you erect this idol of Total depravity, then that's what keeps you eternally separated from God. How sad for you.

    My prayers go out to you.

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