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    Default Surely Mormons (LDS) Know They are Living a Lie

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTGkhvGwlLo&feature=related
    Part 1 - King Solomon said, "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death" (Prov. 14.12). It is perfectly possible Solomon said to pursue what you believe with all your heart is right and true, and to be sincerely in error, and that the end of it is eternal spiritual death. Our ultimate test is the 66 books of the word of God.

    "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed" (Gal. 1.6-9). There was a divine anathema or damnation on people who perverted the gospel of Christ. Even if any angel materializes, you are to count the angel damned.

    "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him" (2 Cor. 11.4-5).

    "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works" (2 Cor. 11.13-16).

    We are warned about a counterfeit Jesus, a counterfeit gospel, counterfeit Holy Spirit, counterfeit apostles (v.13) and counterfeit ministers. They are under Satanic control and his ministers and transformed to look like Christians. Don't be marveled at this. Jesus says He never knew them, for they are workers of iniquity. They never believed in Jesus Christ as their true Savior and Lord.

    The angel Moroni told Joseph Smith where to find gold plates which were translated into The book of Mormon called by Mormons the "word of God." Joseph lied. Mormonism is eternally damned. What he said was not from God but the evil spirit in his heart.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tgpx...eature=related
    Part 2 - Negro cursed by God - Pearl of Great Price
    1965 - The Mormon Church was presented by 40 Egyptologists the translation of the Pearl of Great Price. What Joseph Smith said it said, and what 40 Egyptologists said, are two entirely different things. The manuscript was suppressed by the LDS and Dee Jay Nelson who did the translation tendered his resignation from the Mormon Church.

    Joseph Smith lied. He is a falsifier of documents.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8RI3...eature=related
    Part 3 Joseph Smith, the "glass looker," was convicted of fortune telling, preserved in printed legal documents. He cons people of giving him money by looking into a glass ball. He was tried twice in two towns, but the second conviction didn't stick because he took "leg bail." When he was finally caught, the statute of limitations ran out.

    He claims to do what nobody could do before, not the prophets or Apostles, not even Jesus. He said, "I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man who has ever been able to keep the whole Church together since the days of Adam. Neither Paul, John, Peter or Jesus ever did it. I boast no man ever did such a work as I."

    Joseph Smith lied. He is a proven racist. He is a falsifier of documents, and a convicted fortune teller. He is the owner and author of the Book of Mormon. But it is what he taught that is so deadly. We can become Gods except black people. Black people can't make it because God told told Joseph. Jesus was not conceived by the Holy Spirit. God never spoke to Joseph Smith.

    12 and half pages with Spauldings handwritings in Mormon archives are clearly the beginnings for the Book of Mormon. Wayne Cowdery is a descendant of Oliver Cowdery (2nd elder and scribe). Oliver wrote down what Joseph Smith dictated for the book of Mormon.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnL0o...eature=related
    Part 4 Who really wrote down the book of Mormon? Joseph Smith's revelation was questioned very early. They said they had heard it before. They identified the source. They had heard it from the retired writings of a congregationalist minister Solomon Spaulding writing about Indians in a novel. There were hundreds of parallels to the book of Mormon. Howard Davis documents this in his book: Who Really Wrote the Book of the Mormon? A book was found by Davis with a picture of a document that had the signature of that minister Solomon Spaulding. As it turns out LDS archives have this document that the photo was taken of amounting to 12 and a half pages, and according to the LDS it was considered an unknown source at the time. Various experts have testified these 12 pages are so close to the book of Mormon, it is undeniable, it was taken from that congregationalist minister. Solomon Spaulding executed both works. And, therefore, the Book of Mormon is not from God.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu2RL7EguA4&feature=related
    Part 5 - Joseph Smith made merchandise of all you Mormons. He is just a scam artist.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioIoo...eature=related
    Part 6 - "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them" (2 Cor. 4.3-4). Who is blinding the mind of Mormons? The god of this age.

    Who Really Wrote the Book of Mormon?
    www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?p=1010185&item_no=605277

    Was The Book of Mormon given to Joseph Smith by an angel or created from a work of fiction? Who was Solomon Spalding and did he have a connection with Joseph Smith? This book critically examines key historical documents, personal testimonies, and records of 19th-century Mormon history concluding that The Book of Mormon is an "adaptation of an obscure historical novel" written by Revolutionary War veteran Solomon Spalding during the War of 1812.

    In twelve chapters, the authors lay out the evidence for the assertion that Sidney Rigdon, Oliver Cowdery, and Joseph Smith Jr. adapted and embellished the Spalding manuscript to create The Book of Mormon. Although based on public records and solid research, the book reads like "investigative history", demonstrating that Mormon claims to the "supernatural" revelation and transcription of The Book of Mormon are fraudulent.
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-.../1578244/posts
    http://www.fairlds.org/Lie_in_Wait_t...ive/liwv2.html
    http://www.archive.org/details/trueo...book00shoorich
    http://www.archive.org/stream/trueor...ge/n7/mode/2up

    Joseph Smith was assassinated shooting at people. You don't have to believe in polytheism, racism and polygamy.

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    Vernal Holley put the controversy in another light by minutely comparing parallels between the Book of Mormon and the existing Spaulding manuscript.16 The following are his documented conclusions, with which the author concurs after a personal analysis of Manuscript Found.17

    1. The outlines of the Book of Mormon and the Spaulding text are "essentially the same."18

    2. Both records claim to have been found in "the same way."

    3. Both were "written for the same purpose."

    4. Both "tell the story of the same ancient American inhabitants."

    5. Both "have the same sea voyage."

    6. Both "have light-skinned and dark-skinned people.

    7. Both "tell of the same arts and sciences."

    8. Both "have a comparable Christian theology."

    9. Both "present a white God person."

    10. Both "involve use of seer stones."

    11. Both claim to "contain an abridged history of the extinct inhabitants of ancient America."19

    12. Both describe how the record was deposited, protected supernaturally, and how its finder made a translation of it.

    13. Both state that it "will come forth . . .when the Europeans (gentiles) inhabit this land (M.F., 3-4; I Nephi 13:35; 3:184-185).

    14. Both "translators" testify of the truthfulness of the work and request that the readers read it "with a pure heart" (M.F., 2-3; Moroni 10:4-5; 10:4-5).20

    15. Both have the earth revolving about the sun-something unknown until 1543 A.D. (M.F., 16; Helaman 12:13-15; 4:61-62).21

    16. A theological address by an Indian chief in Spaulding's manuscript contains "the same thoughts" and they are "in the same order" as in a similar address in the Book of Mormon by King Benjamin (M.F., 26-32; Mosiah 1-4; 1-2).

    17. Spaulding's leader teaches from a "sacred roll," while King Benjamin teaches from "plates of brass."

    18. The religious section of Spaulding is written in the chiastic style, which is found throughout the Book of Mormon.22

    19. Lobaska's rule over two empires and his golden age of peace parallels Christ's effect on the peoples in the Book of Mormon.23

    20. Both include coins and fortifications.24

    21. Both have similar scenes of bloodshed, even down to the final combats between enemy commanders.

    22. Both depict a "little band" of warriors, 3,000 in M. F. and 2,000 Nephi-Lehis in the Book of Mormon.25

    Besides these parallels, there are literally hundreds of identical or similar word combinations. In order to conserve space, only a few are listed below:26

    rights of their country (M.F., 31; 3 Nephi 6:30; 3:35)

    Crying with a loud voice (80; Alma 46:19; 21:48)

    He put forth his hand and (28; Alma 30:51; 16:63)

    An immense slaughter (101; Alma 49:21; 21:174)

    mourning and lamentation (84; Helaman 7:15; 3:16)

    according to their numbers (54; 3 Nephi 6:3; 3:4)

    Even more surprising than these parallels, however, is the land area described in the two books. Holley emphasizes that Book of Mormon geography quite neatly matches the land described in Manuscript. Thus the "sea east" becomes Lake Ontario and the "sea west" becomes Lake Erie rather than, as Mormons have assumed, the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. Locating the River Sidon has always been a difficulty for Book of Mormon scholars.27 With this model, however, the River Sidon handily becomes the present-day Genesee River.28

    Another problem has been the width of the "small neck of land" in the Book of Mormon, which is described as "a day and a half's journey" from sea to sea (Alma 22:32; 13:76). The distance of thirty-seven miles between these two lakes fits the description much better than the distance of over one hundred thirty miles at the Isthmus of Panama. 67 ancient fortified earthworks have been found at this location.29

    Spaulding lived in this area and had first-hand knowledge of the earthworks, names and geographical locations that are portrayed in his writings. By imposing the Book of Mormon descriptions on maps of these areas, the following modern place names are found to coincide with the cities and lands in the Book of Mormon:30

    Modern B of M

    Angola Angola

    Boaz Boaz

    Jerusalem Jerusalem

    Jordan Jordan

    Lehigh Lehi

    Rama Ramah

    St. Agathe Ogath

    Alma Valley of Alma

    Antrim Antum

    Antioch Anti-Anti

    Conner Comner

    St. Ephrem Hill Ephraim

    Hellam Helam

    Jacobsburg Jacobugath

    Kishkiminetas Kishkumen

    Mantua Manti

    Monroe Moroni

    Minoa Minon

    Moraviantown Morianton

    Morin Moron

    Noah Lake Land of Noah

    Oneida Onidah

    Oneida Castle Hill Onidah

    Omer Omner

    Ripple Lake Waters of Ripli- ancum

    Sodom Sidom

    Shiloh Shilom

    Shurbrook Shurr

    Tenecum Teancum

    Holley bolsters his case for Spaulding authorship of the Book of Mormon with a quotation by Mormon archaeologist Joseph Vincent, who said:

    If a sincere student of the Book of Mormon will conscientiously read and study the book itself and will plot out all the locations mentioned,...he will find that all Book of Mormon lands lie within a five or six hundred mile radius, and that this area could not possibly extend from Chile to New York.

    I found this on the web at the following site: http://yourgoingtohell.com/mormon.html

    Spalding's Manuscript similarities:
    http://www.mormoncurtain.com/topic_s...anuscript.html
    http://www.archive.org/details/spauldingenigma
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OffQbvLY5M0

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