Shabir,
I am trying to find some common ground. Is there something you and I can agree on particularly pertaining to the death, burial and resurrection claim? I live by evidence and nobody I have ever heard could provide evidence contrary to the evidence we have of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. Wherever the strongest evidence takes us, we go with that. If you don't have stronger evidence then you strengthen my faith. It seems to me if you are being honest (and not racial) you will, reading clearly and sincerely, at least say Yes to the 3 questions below, for the text is plain. That's why most skeptical scholars will concede some things instead of taking the radical position Jesus never died on the cross.
Do you accept as the 66 books present themselves:
1) Jesus claimed He was God and would die on the cross for the sins of mankind;
2) the disciples believed they saw, talked with, touched, ate with and walked with Jesus alive from the dead;
3) the person they spent 3 years with was that same person who presented himself alive from the dead.
For example, John was recorded as being at the crucifixion, convinced Jesus died. Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus put spices on his dead body. The women were at the crucifixion also who knew the disciples intimately witnessed to them his death on the cross. Jews (enemy attestation) don't deny Jesus died, nor do Romans. James, one of the original 12 Apostles, in Scripture was put to death for his faith in Jesus being God as proven by His resurrection. Early on, Stephen was martyred for the claim Jesus was God and resurrected. Paul had many near death experiences for preaching the gospel until his final martyrdom in the 65 AD Neronian persecution. So six centuries later denying Jesus died seems belligerent and obstinate even cultic (no offence). Cults start by requiring their adherents believe something that there is no evidence for whatsoever centuries after the events.
Even if I was not a Christian, I would concede these points, for the books of the Bible are clear in how they present themselves.
If I was a Muslim, I would have doubts because Islam is 99+% non-whites and mostly the skin color of the middle eastern non-whites. Whereas Christianity has a really good mix of all skin colors. For example I was led to Christ from a Chinese person, Watchman Nee, who is said to have possibly the highest IQ's in the history of Christendom. Doesn't it concern you that Muhammad only had assumptions but no evidence? Whereas Scripture is multiply corroborated across 40 writers over 1500 years.
12 Historical Facts (Most Critical Scholars Believe These 12 items)
1. Jesus died by crucifixion.
2. He was buried.
3. His death caused the disciples to despair and lose hope.
4. The tomb was empty (the most contested).
5. The disciples had experiences which they believed were literal appearances of the risen Jesus (the most important proof).
6. The disciples were transformed from doubters to bold proclaimers.
7. The resurrection was the central message.
8. They preached the message of Jesus’ resurrection in Jerusalem.
9. The Church was born and grew.
10. Orthodox Jews who believed in Christ made Sunday their primary day of worship.
11. James was converted to the faith when he saw the resurrected Jesus (James was a family skeptic).
12. Paul was converted to the faith (Paul was an outsider skeptic).
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