James White Declines Rebuttal to 6 Questions

[Churchwork]

“When the time comes in God’s sovereign providence to bring to spiritual life each of those for whom Christ died, the Spirit of God will not only effectively accomplish that work of regeneration but that new creature in Christ will, unfailingly, believe in Jesus Christ (‘all that the Father gives Me will come to Me’). Hence, we are not saved ‘without’ faith, but at the same time, Christ’s atonement is not rendered useless and vain without the addition of libertarian free will.” (Debating Calvinism, p.191)

For a calvinist salvation comes after faith and faith comes after regeneration, but repentance for a calvinist does not come before regeneration so they don't have to repent to the cross to be regenerated even though the Bible teaches repentance first like John the Baptist taught. I get confused by double negatives or possible double negatives. Christ's atonement is NOT rendered useless WITHOUT libertarian free will...meaning, I suppose, Christ atonement is rendered useless with libertarian free will. "Arminians don't believe in libertarian free will, defined as "belief that human beings possess free will, that free will is incompatible with determinism, and that determinism is false." Arminians believe determinism is true and that free will is compatible with determinism. Determinism is defined as "every event, including human cognition and behavior, decision and action, is causally determined by an unbroken chain of prior occurrences." This is how God can foreknow our free-choices, because God can see all possible worlds, but only actualizes the world with the free-choices in this world we have; hence, He can foresees all causal influences.

Calvinism espouses a form of Dualism, in which God’s will is set apart as double and contradictory.

Honestly, I think that God loathes Calvinism more than most people think. That's my general feeling. I think it’s demeaning towards Christ when Calvinists (who are supposed Christians) tell him that He is a “weak and beggarly miser” (James White’s words in the youtube clip), but worse yet, Calvinism discourages Invitations and Alter Calls. Jesus said, “Come unto Me.” (Matthew 11:28) That’s an invitation. Jesus gave an Alter Call. He wants people to come to Him, and "whoever will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 10:13) But when Calvinists vehemently oppose Invitations on “doctrinal grounds” that it would result in “decisional regeneration,” then they exalted theology above Christ's passion to save souls.

Worse yet, Paul said that whoever preaches “another gospel” is cursed (Galatians 1:6-9), and how does Paul define that “gospel”? See 1st Corinthians 15:3. The Gospel is telling people that Jesus "died for our sins, according to the Scriptures." That means that the “gospel” includes telling people that Jesus died for them, something that Limited Atonement flatly rejects. Sometimes I find Calvinists cleverly rewording the Gospel to state that Jesus died “for sin” (not necessarily yours, unless you are one of the elect). This is simply not the Gospel. I caught Jeff Noblit doing this at the Building Bridges Conference last year. I have the quote. Jay Adams plainly states that as a "Reformed" Christian, he does not believe in indiscriminately telling people that Jesus died for them, because he doesn't know if they are elect or not. That shows that he doesn't preach the gospel, and in fact, is opposed to it. That's why I believe that Calvinism is a false gospel that is under the curse, spoken of by the apostle Paul. So I think that God hates “Calvinism” more than most people realize. However, God loves the sinner, and although He wants for us to preach the truth, he wants for us to do it in a loving manner, because that's who He is. He is longsuffering and patient.

Excellent point, that is what dualism is: "a theory that considers reality to consist of two irreducible elements or modes; the quality or state of being dual or of having a dual nature; doctrine that the universe is under the dominion of two opposing principles one of which is good and the other evil."

Thank you Richard for your conscientious words.

“We are the Lord’s elected few, Let all the rest be damned; There’s room enough in hell for you, We won’t have heaven crammed!” (The Other Side of Calvinism, p.300) Calvinism is truly evil, full of self-exaltation and pride. Little do they realize they are on their way to Hell, helping uncrowd heaven by removing themselves from the book of life.

[Churchwork]

James White declined to respond to the problems I have cited in his video response. His video response to my 6 questions posed to him is where he cuts off the line of communication and just appeals to buying his books as the answer. If he spent 20 minutes in a video unable to present any viable challenge to these 6 questions-as evident by my response to his video-then why appeal vaguely and mysteriously he has even thought about a rebuttal. I am sure Dave Hunt met the same brick wall of James White also.

Mr. White also refuses to call me to discuss this further and has as well cut off all lines of communication except of course promoting his radio station and buying anything he is selling.

[CmRoddy]

Are you forgetting the fact that Dr. White has told you to call in? I mean, you challenge him and somehow he is expected to call you?

[Churchwork]

I told White to call me, or at least respond in writing, since the burden is on him. He refused to either reply or give me a call.

[Churchwork]

Dave Hunt writes on page 457 of What Love is This?

"White avoids them [verses pertaining to how OT typology including manna, rock, sacrifices, serpent on a pole for all Israel as Christ's atonement for all mankind] in his book The Potter's Freedom. And in my debate with him in book form, Debating Calvinism: Five Points, Two Views, he refuses to respond to any of these powerful pictures that I pointed out from the Old Testament-even daring to declare that they were 'irrelevant.' And that included the brazen serpent!"

The 3rd edition of What Love Is This? is 2006, whereas Debating Calvinism is 2004.

[Churchwork]

Are Calvinists Christians?

Defending Troy Brooks showing Calvinists are not born-again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56uSE...eature=related (note Providential1611 in this video is not saved, since he is Wesleyan, that is, he thinks he could lose salvation tomorrow).

[Churchwork]

http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/James_White_Unsaved.htm
Critique of "Debating Calvinism."

[rpavich]

I would like the person who started this this thread, and anyone who supports what it says to call Dr. White; show him the error of his ways...that way not only he, but all his listeners can hear the truth.

Isn't that better than sitting around this camp-fire and complaining amongst yourselves how he's wrong and mis-representing you, and how Calvinism is bad and anti-biblical?

[Churchwork]

He has been shown the error of his ways. Now he needs a personal touch if he is willing from someone capable, but he has to take a step to reach out.

The way of progress is for James White to call me and personally talk to me, and I will touch his heart by the Holy Spirit so he will have no choice but to give his life to Christ. And in so doing, he will make a public apology to all his subscribers and purchasers of his products that he was wrong and now has given his life to Christ by being born again for the first time in his life. This is the way God wants it to be done and not to put on a show for grandstanding-sake.

God wants to use White in a way the world does not expect through his conversion like that Southern Baptist fellow who repented of Calvinism and gave his life to Christ after 8 years of being a Calvinist minister and telling his family they would be Calvinists for the rest of their lives. But through the prayerful daily prayers of his wife and her parents, he is a child of God with power over sin and self, because not only has he been forgiven, but he has died on the cross with Christ truly. This gives him power over sin (and self) and not just forgiveness.

Before he testified he could not overcome his selfishness and sin as as Calvinist. He was born into a Calvinist family. Find out if White was born into a Calvinist family. It's sorta like Mormonism that way. They indoctrinate you at an early age. They have their way of doing it to make it very difficult for the child as he is growing up.

It's always wonderful to see a Calvinist repent of Calvinism and come to Christ as a helpless sinner to have a real relationship with Jesus and stop playing pretend.

[rpavich]

I thought as much...

So much for trying to get to the truth. :