Christianity and Evolution

[Churchwork]

You're missing the point. The toaster analogy is to show irreducibly complex components. Therefore randomness or infinite opportunity to mingle all components will never produce sentient life. Therefore God does form the body from dust (Gen. 2.7) through abiogenesis and evolution, but that is just the body. Man is also spirit and soul. Around six millennia ago, God breathed in His breath of life, directly creating man's spirit (spirit of God-consciousness and made in God's image which will never cease to exist), and when it made contact with the body the soul life was formed. Man was truly tripartite: spirit, soul and body.

[idontlikeapples]

No. You have a clear fundamental mis-understanding of how evolution works. The irreducible complexity argument has been debunked. Randomness is NOT how natural selection works. It is the complete opposite in fact.

[Churchwork]

I didn't say just randomness, I also said there could not be an "infinite opportunity to mingle components with never produce sentient life". Why avoid this part? These very fine elements such as atoms, quarks and strings can never come together to produce sentient life in their irreducible complexity. Therefore, it requires God's divine act. There is not enough interatomic interactions in the history of the universe to form sentient life, therefore the origin of life and for evolution requires the uncreated Creator. Since the lesser can never produce the greater, we can be confident nature can't form sentient life. Evolution can't explain where it comes from, so as a big picture it lacks in this regard.

[idontlikeapples]

I didn't say just randomness, I also said there could not be an "infinite opportunity to mingle components with never produce sentient life". Why avoid this part? These very fine elements such as atoms, quarks and strings can never come together to produce sentient life in their irreducible complexity. Therefore, it requires God's divine act. There is not enough interatomic interactions in the history of the universe to form sentient life, therefore the origin of life and for evolution requires the uncreated Creator. Since the lesser can never produce the greater, we can be confident nature can't form sentient life. Evolution can't explain where it comes from, so as a big picture it lacks in this regard.

5a. Self-declaring. Declaring assertions on a pedestal (pontificating) without an attempt to support them. Don't blow smoke!

1 infraction.

[Churchwork]

Where's the self-declaration? You still can't produce sentient life from nature, so you keep proving the point. How can that which is lesser produce the greater? Show it. Since nature therefore can not always have existed nor start up from nothing, the only option left is the uncreated Creator. Amen.

[Balstrome]

You know where you theists fail?

Have you ever tried to explain how your god did the work you claim him to have done.

What method did he use, on what materials which came from where, for how long and what abilities and skills or tools did he use.

These are the questions that science attempts to answer, and usually gets them right, but the theists never ever try and come up with an alternate magical answer that only a god could have done.

The thing is everything that exists in the universe, from the beginning until today, can and has been fully explained by science. And in that huge explanation, has there NEVER been a need to call for the input of a god to do the magic that only a god can do.

If you think I am wrong, then please point out one thing in this universe that only a god could do, it must be something that science can not offer any explanation as to how that thing came about.

[Faithful]

God created out of Himself. Only He knows how this can be done. We can't expect to be able to understand everything compared to an infinitely great God. Science can't answer these questions. What science can do is observe cause and effect relationships in the universe, the universe God brought into being.

Theism is true because since proves it to be true. Since nature can't start up from nothing, nor always have existed because you would have happened already having had an eternity to do so if infinite regress were true, therefore nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space, being uncreated whom we call God. A mind is needed to create a mind since God also has a mind.

Science proves the resurrection of Jesus since you can't find a naturalistic explanation to account for the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles in various group settings.

The universe would not exist without God having created it; nothing in the universe would exist therefore if God didn't create the big bang. Praise the Lord!