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    I didn't say just randomness, I also said there could not be an "infinite opportunity to mingle components with never produce sentient life". Why avoid this part? These very fine elements such as atoms, quarks and strings can never come together to produce sentient life in their irreducible complexity. Therefore, it requires God's divine act. There is not enough interatomic interactions in the history of the universe to form sentient life, therefore the origin of life and for evolution requires the uncreated Creator. Since the lesser can never produce the greater, we can be confident nature can't form sentient life. Evolution can't explain where it comes from, so as a big picture it lacks in this regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchwork View Post
    I didn't say just randomness, I also said there could not be an "infinite opportunity to mingle components with never produce sentient life". Why avoid this part? These very fine elements such as atoms, quarks and strings can never come together to produce sentient life in their irreducible complexity. Therefore, it requires God's divine act. There is not enough interatomic interactions in the history of the universe to form sentient life, therefore the origin of life and for evolution requires the uncreated Creator. Since the lesser can never produce the greater, we can be confident nature can't form sentient life. Evolution can't explain where it comes from, so as a big picture it lacks in this regard.

    5a. Self-declaring. Declaring assertions on a pedestal (pontificating) without an attempt to support them. Don't blow smoke!

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    Where's the self-declaration? You still can't produce sentient life from nature, so you keep proving the point. How can that which is lesser produce the greater? Show it. Since nature therefore can not always have existed nor start up from nothing, the only option left is the uncreated Creator. Amen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchwork View Post
    Man will never be able to create life from elements. That is God's domain alone. Similarly, we know how a car is made, but it requires our hand, just as the first single celled organism required God's hand. Just putting all the elemental table in a box by itself will never create life.
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    FALSE ALARM

    "Putting all the elemental table in a box by itself will never create life" - this is not what they did at all. They created a simulator of the genitic code, artificial life.

    "The resulting microbe then looked and behaved like..." not in actuality.

    It has "been over-stated."

    "A 'synthetic cell', although only its genome is truly synthetic."

    These are just machines not able to produce self-consciousness or God-consciousness, nor will they develop to be able to do so. They exhibit not ability to mutate.

    They are not technically organisms, because organisms can develop into sentient life.

    Still we are unable to produce true organic life from the elements as they admit, it's "synthetic" unless of course you want to grant there was a mind that created the universe to bring about existing life over 13.7 billion years. But then you would be a theist.

    Nobody in the article was declaring we have discovered how to turn the elements into replicating organisms. They need a mixer and a shaker, not an intelligent being like humans a priori, otherwise you are conceding an Intelligent Designer, thus you are confessing you are a theist. That's great! Love to hear it.

    Their synthetic genetic code lacked the essence of life that can mutate itself into higher beings.

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    You know where you theists fail?

    Have you ever tried to explain how your god did the work you claim him to have done.

    What method did he use, on what materials which came from where, for how long and what abilities and skills or tools did he use.

    These are the questions that science attempts to answer, and usually gets them right, but the theists never ever try and come up with an alternate magical answer that only a god could have done.

    The thing is everything that exists in the universe, from the beginning until today, can and has been fully explained by science. And in that huge explanation, has there NEVER been a need to call for the input of a god to do the magic that only a god can do.

    If you think I am wrong, then please point out one thing in this universe that only a god could do, it must be something that science can not offer any explanation as to how that thing came about.

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    God created out of Himself. Only He knows how this can be done. We can't expect to be able to understand everything compared to an infinitely great God. Science can't answer these questions. What science can do is observe cause and effect relationships in the universe, the universe God brought into being.

    Theism is true because since proves it to be true. Since nature can't start up from nothing, nor always have existed because you would have happened already having had an eternity to do so if infinite regress were true, therefore nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space, being uncreated whom we call God. A mind is needed to create a mind since God also has a mind.

    Science proves the resurrection of Jesus since you can't find a naturalistic explanation to account for the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles in various group settings.

    The universe would not exist without God having created it; nothing in the universe would exist therefore if God didn't create the big bang. Praise the Lord!

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