The Last Warning - Revelation Chapter 22

**Churchwork** · 06-22-2010, 12:33 AM

Where did I say the age of men is the age of the universe? Why bear false witness? Rather, I said if the universe always existed, mankind would have approximated into that past eternity, so that we would have had more than enough time to not still be sinning to the extent we still do along the exponential progression of conscience we clearly observe. In the law of Calculus anything approximating into an infinity can be deemed as such (even though technically it is not). It's like saying from our perspective and viewpoint if there are 10^40,000 or 10^100,000 it is effectively infinite and more than enough time to move along the exponential progression of conscience we have seen in just these past 6000 years. I don't think you are being intellectually honest with yourself for obviously you gloss over this.

The universe proves the uncreated must exist since all things in nature have a cause. Therefore, nature itself needs a cause. And the uncreated is whom we call God.

Since you can't show any silliness aren't you being silly? Silly lame excuses you make for yourself.

Christians aren't Calvinists. Don't blame God for your choice to go to Hell. God will not prevent the salvation of someone on account of the many such as yourself who want to go to Hell. You can blame Him, but it is your own fault. Time to grow up! God did everything He could do, provided all the grace that could righteously be given, and yet still many want to go to Hell. How sad for them and you.

KikoSanchez · 06-22-2010, 12:47 PM

Even if we accept your theory of people gradually becoming more moral/less sinful over time, I don't see what the age of the universe has to do with this. Only the age of man matters. This is where I think you're being intellectually dishonest. Why even include the age of the universe when figuring something only concerning man?

**Churchwork** · 06-22-2010, 04:09 PM

It's not a theory but proven by various points of data the human conscience has been improving exponentially as was given in the proof. It was already explained if there was an eternity of the past of cause and effects, then mankind would have approximated into that past eternity, so that mankind would not still be sinning to the extent it still does along the exponential progression of conscience we are clearly on. This destroys the arguments used by atheists when they try to get around God by claiming the universe always existed. This is where you are intellectually dishonest with yourself in shutting your mind down. Why discuss the age of the universe? Because atheists are claiming the universe always existed. Also, heat death would be far greater than it is if the universe always existed since the heat death we currently experience is as a result of a universe that is 13.7 billion years old, not an infinite regress. You might even say your theory is fantasy. Your fantasy life is being used to reject your Creator!

**Parture** · 09-24-2010, 10:57 AM

Perfect Proof for God

Since nature has been proven to always have a cause by the overwhelming preponderance of evidence beyond a reasonable doubt of trillions and trillions of cause and effects, and no hard evidence something comes from nothing, this necessarily leads to an infinite regress, but you would have happened already having had an eternity to do so; so therefore, there cannot be an eternity of the past of cause and effects. Pure and simple! Since nature can't always have existed, that which is outside of nature-time, space and matter-necessarily must be the cause. This is whom we call God.

So the question then becomes who is God? Many can claim to be God or make claims about who God is, but unless they have some evidence they need not be considered. Forget about any claims where God is not intelligent, personal and accessible, for how can God's standards be lower than our own? Any belief system that does not effectively address sin would be deficient. By holding out for the future there could be some evidence to prove God does not exist eventually requires that you be all-knowing but only God could be all-knowing.

Only does Jesus prove He is God! After saying He is God and predicting His death and resurrection, the original disciples testified to having seen Him alive from the dead in various group settings. Since all naturalistic explanations are impossible, then no naturalistic explanation can account for their testimony. Hence, Jesus rose from the dead proving His deity as the uncreated Creator, that He died on the cross for the sins of the world and salvation is only through Him. No atonement would be satisfactory unless it was God Himself. If a person is unwilling to come to the cross as a helpless sinner, they are saying they want to be eternally separated from God.

**Churchwork** · 05-23-2012, 03:36 PM

Proper definitions of Atheism and Agnosticism

Atheism in M-W is "2a: disbelief [mental rejection of something as untrue] in the existence of a deity; 2b: the doctrine that there is no deity."

Agnosticism in M-W is when "1a: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown; not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God; 2b: unwilling to commit to an opinion about something" due to a perceived lack of evidence.

It is illogical to be Atheist if you have no evidence for your claim God does not exist.

If you don't believe in God it is because you don't believe He exists, so not believing in God is Atheism. Whereas Agnostics don't say they don't believe in God, but they say God could exist. However, they are not sure because they are not sure about the evidence.

There is only one word in the English language to my knowledge for the belief God does not exist. That word is "Atheism". It is comical and stupidity of the highest degree watching God haters claim they are Atheists while they attempt to remove from the English language the only word that exists for the "belief God does not exist" when in reality they are Agnostics. There is only one reason they do this and is no less stupid? The reason they consciously do this is simply because the word "Atheism" is flashier than the word "Agnosticism". Atheists and Agnostics are the ultimate morons along with the Moroni of Mormonism who are also atheists as they too believe in an infinite regress of cause and effects, supernatural or otherwise.