Practical Logic Regarding the Trinity

[PeteWaldo]

I don't think that would be self-promoting.

This site isn't a current activity of mine anyway. I set it up a long time ago, and have just used it a couple times over many months to upload a video or 2 that get banned repeatedly from YouTube
http://www.tangle.com/view_video?vie...dba53d454cb1ed

Curious, do you think you run the risk of a Muslim coming to you and saying what they say is not a contradiction in Sura 38.72 because God of the Bible and Allah both have a Spirit, so the accusation of two gods is simply not accepting that God is Father, Son, Spirit? For 3 to exist from their perspective demands 3 gods.

Indeed it does and indeed they do accuse 3 gods and Christians of polytheism.
Best to present one element at a time. Just from the first element of God's Spirit being introduced to them they can begin to see that Mohammed was a liar. As 2 of the 3 already become merged into one right out of the gate, leaving 2 not 3.

5:73 They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.

Mohammed's phony "Allah" curses us

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

If I were a Muslim I wouldn't accuse of two or three gods.

You would be pretty unique.

I would just say, I don't agree with the Trinity. How do you convince someone of the Trinity?

I believe the convincing can only be done by Jesus Christ. I do what I can to plant that first spark of cognitive dissonance to maybe help inspire their first steps toward seeking out the truth.
When I present this verse Muslims hate it because it helps them begin to actually understand what we believe, through it

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Since they believe the Quran is the "word" that came down from heaven, and they believe God has a Spirit this verse makes them begin to see.
They claim it was a later fabrication, but showing them that verse in the Koine Greek, and then showing them the concept isn't unique to that verse

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

With

Jhn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Reading the Bible may convince them the Bible teaches the Trinity, but they still might not agree with it anyway, still preferring the Qur'an.

I guess we're not all elect. I point out that Islam is the EXACT AND PERFECT OPPOSITE. Indeed antichrist as it's most important fundamental.
We can only do what we can do.

[Nottheworld]

They will rationalize all those verses of the Trinity away as a later addition. The flesh can rationalize anything it wants. Maybe the lesson here is the best thing one can do is take a Muslim by the hand, find a quite place together, share those verse and read chapters together intently. Spend a couple hours a day for several weeks to lead him to Christ. But what Muslim would be willing to do that? But it takes that kind of commitment few of us are willing to pursue.

Just getting to know Jesus and the love of God, grace can enter. Convincing a Muslim seems relatively easy compared to a Mormon. Even though I show the Mormon that God is alone "from everlasting" they somehow manage to block those words in quotes out of their mind and refuse to discuss them. It's amazing how difficult it is to convince non-OSASers that they can't save themselves or keep their salvation; most religions teach non-OSAS and most of Christendom does too.

The problem I am guessing with Muslims is they are so closed off in their own community it is hard to reach them. Christians believe they will be physically harmed if we approach the sacred ground of Muslims. Isn't there an exodus of Christians from Iraq the last several years? All the churches were sent letters to leave the country or they will be killed.