Legalizing the Sabbath - Judaizers

**Churchwork** · 08-26-2008, 11:53 AM

The Sabbath was for the Jewish people, ONLY, under the Old Covenant as a sign of covenant for that nation alone until the coming Messiah.

The reason you keep the Sabbath is because you do it to keep yourself separated from God.

I may be holy before God because I have been cleansed by the precious blood, but if I remain a fleshly Christian, then I do not consecrate myself.

Christianity has not changed on the view of the Sabbath since the beginning. Judaizers want to change God's Word or interpretation therefore to legalize and create a dead letter to deaden your conscience wittingly or unwittingly.

Everyone's test is different. Your test to know you are not born-again is if you can never let go of the Sabbath. I don't know any Christians who try to still keep the Sabbath.

Do not fret, for you can still give your life to Christ TODAY!

jerusalemcouncil · 08-26-2008, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Churchwork

The Sabbath was for the Jewish people, ONLY, under the Old Covenant as a sign of covenant for that nation alone until the coming Messiah.

Have you not read what I posted? Did I not give you verses upon verses showing that the Covenant is made with all mankind, and that the standard for right or wrong does not change when one becomes a believer?

The reason you keep the Sabbath is because you do it to keep yourself separated from God.

Depends on which God one serves, I guess. My God is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who redeemed them, Moses, David, and all believers in Christ Jesus from the consequences of their sin, by faith alone in Christ. I assume your God is the same. If so, then why do you apparently refuse to obey Him and teach others to do the same? I could be wrong, but I think this is what you are saying.

I may be holy before God because I have been cleansed by the precious blood, but if I remain a fleshly Christian, then I do not consecrate myself.

So you too agree that our behavior is something we do, to conform to Christ's likeness, who himself is perfect, keeping the Torah. Great. I am not sure where we disagree then.

Christianity has not changed on the view of the Sabbath since the beginning.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested.

I am interested in knowing what "beginning" you are referring to, since Abraham, Moses, and David are considered as those of the same faith. Yet the Torah and the Sabbath was given to them after the fact.

Judaizers want to change God's Word or interpretation therefore to legalize and create a dead letter to deaden your conscience wittingly or unwittingly.

I am not sure how those who desire to live like Jesus, who is Jewish, have their consistences deadened by following him.

Everyone's test is different. Your test to know you are not born-again is if you can never let go of the Sabbath.

If Sabbath is a moral commandment, hanging from "love God" - so then are you saying that one can "test to know they are not born-again if they can never let go of the commandment to love God with all their heart"? Preposterous! Do you realize what you are saying? You are saying if one loves God, then they are not saved! Do you really believe this?

I don't know any Christians who try to still keep the Sabbath.

You are posting with one. :)

**Churchwork** · 08-26-2008, 12:28 PM

You couldn't disprove Hebrews 4, that the Sabbath is now filled up with the Holy Spirit indwelling under the New Covenant and therefore, the Old Covenant Sabbath was just a sign for the nation of Jews only as the chosen people, that is, the first nation God revealed Himself to. Christians are not a nation, nor the first nation God revealed Himself to.

I am not saying you are unsaved for loving God, but for loving the false Christ who is not God.

Moreover, I don't think you will ever be born-again, because you will always keep yourself separated from God by keeping the law of the Sabbath so that your spirit is never quickened by the Holy Spirit.

jerusalemcouncil · 08-26-2008, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by Churchwork

I am not saying you are unsaved for loving God

Then let our dispute on this matter end with our universal agreement here, for that is all I am and many others Christians are doing: loving God.

Yet you seem to condemn us as not being saved, not having the Spirit, whenever we love God in the ways God has instructed us in how to love him.

**Churchwork** · 08-26-2008, 12:36 PM

You are not a Christian, for you are not loving God. You have replaced Him with the law of the Sabbath, and thus, you worship a false Christ.

Realize you condemn yourself for being unsaved. You keep saying it is loving to God to keep the law, when God said if you were Christian, you would have died to the law.

jerusalemcouncil · 08-26-2008, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Churchwork

You are not a Christian, for you are not loving God. You have replaced Him with the law of the Sabbath, and thus, you worship a false Christ.

Realize you condemn yourself for being unsaved. You keep saying it is loving to God to keep the law, when God said if you were Christian, you would have died to the law.

If Christ is called the Word of God made flesh, then as a Christian, am I not alive to Christ, the Living Word, the Living Torah? So then when I love Christ, do I not then seek to obey Him?

The very Torah that condemns sinners for their faliure to keep the law, is the Messiah that justifies saints by his obedience to the law.

**Churchwork** · 08-26-2008, 12:47 PM

You love a false Christ as much as you love yourself for the Holy Spirit indwelling is now the Sabbath. You can't have both. They are mutually exclusive.

We are justified by faith, not by works, lest any many should boast.

jerusalemcouncil · 08-26-2008, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Churchwork

You can't have both.... They are mutually exclusive.

I assume you meant you can't have both Sabbath, and Christ, that they are mutually exclusive. Excuse me then, but what is the Word of God made flesh, if not the Torah which contains the instructions concerning the Sabbath?

We are justified by faith, not by works, lest any many should boast.

I'm not talking about justification at all. At all. Period. End of discussion on this matter, please. You have no proof in anything that I've said that I am placing my hope for eternal life in anything other than the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, so why do you keep on approaching me in this way as if I had?

I am simply talking about what our behavior as Christians should look like as Christians - because we are saved, justified, and sanctified; and I believe this behavior is to look like Christ. Do you agree or disagree?

**Churchwork** · 08-26-2008, 01:50 PM

The Holy Spirit indwells to replace Sabbath Hebrews 4 says. Because you replace the Christ with the Sabbath, you look to a false Christ and are rejected by Christians and have no communion with us in the Lord.

jerusalemcouncil · 08-26-2008, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Churchwork

The Holy Spirit indwells to replace Sabbath Hebrews 4 says. Because you replace the Christ with the Sabbath, you look to a false Christ and are rejected by Christians and have no communion with us in the Lord.

Hebrews 4:1 says "Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands"

If we have already entered his rest, as you assert, then why does the author of Hebrews disagree with you when it says the promise of entering his rest "stills stands"? If it's a promise, it's not something that has been fulfilled. If it was fulfilled, it wouldn't be a promise, but rather it would be something we have.