Legalizing the Sabbath - Judaizers

**Churchwork** · 08-26-2008, 12:28 PM

You couldn't disprove Hebrews 4, that the Sabbath is now filled up with the Holy Spirit indwelling under the New Covenant and therefore, the Old Covenant Sabbath was just a sign for the nation of Jews only as the chosen people, that is, the first nation God revealed Himself to. Christians are not a nation, nor the first nation God revealed Himself to.

I am not saying you are unsaved for loving God, but for loving the false Christ who is not God.

Moreover, I don't think you will ever be born-again, because you will always keep yourself separated from God by keeping the law of the Sabbath so that your spirit is never quickened by the Holy Spirit.

jerusalemcouncil · 08-26-2008, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by Churchwork

I am not saying you are unsaved for loving God

Then let our dispute on this matter end with our universal agreement here, for that is all I am and many others Christians are doing: loving God.

Yet you seem to condemn us as not being saved, not having the Spirit, whenever we love God in the ways God has instructed us in how to love him.

**Churchwork** · 08-26-2008, 12:36 PM

You are not a Christian, for you are not loving God. You have replaced Him with the law of the Sabbath, and thus, you worship a false Christ.

Realize you condemn yourself for being unsaved. You keep saying it is loving to God to keep the law, when God said if you were Christian, you would have died to the law.

jerusalemcouncil · 08-26-2008, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Churchwork

You are not a Christian, for you are not loving God. You have replaced Him with the law of the Sabbath, and thus, you worship a false Christ.

Realize you condemn yourself for being unsaved. You keep saying it is loving to God to keep the law, when God said if you were Christian, you would have died to the law.

If Christ is called the Word of God made flesh, then as a Christian, am I not alive to Christ, the Living Word, the Living Torah? So then when I love Christ, do I not then seek to obey Him?

The very Torah that condemns sinners for their faliure to keep the law, is the Messiah that justifies saints by his obedience to the law.

**Churchwork** · 08-26-2008, 12:47 PM

You love a false Christ as much as you love yourself for the Holy Spirit indwelling is now the Sabbath. You can't have both. They are mutually exclusive.

We are justified by faith, not by works, lest any many should boast.

jerusalemcouncil · 08-26-2008, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Churchwork

You can't have both.... They are mutually exclusive.

I assume you meant you can't have both Sabbath, and Christ, that they are mutually exclusive. Excuse me then, but what is the Word of God made flesh, if not the Torah which contains the instructions concerning the Sabbath?

We are justified by faith, not by works, lest any many should boast.

I'm not talking about justification at all. At all. Period. End of discussion on this matter, please. You have no proof in anything that I've said that I am placing my hope for eternal life in anything other than the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, so why do you keep on approaching me in this way as if I had?

I am simply talking about what our behavior as Christians should look like as Christians - because we are saved, justified, and sanctified; and I believe this behavior is to look like Christ. Do you agree or disagree?

**Churchwork** · 08-26-2008, 01:50 PM

The Holy Spirit indwells to replace Sabbath Hebrews 4 says. Because you replace the Christ with the Sabbath, you look to a false Christ and are rejected by Christians and have no communion with us in the Lord.

jerusalemcouncil · 08-26-2008, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Churchwork

The Holy Spirit indwells to replace Sabbath Hebrews 4 says. Because you replace the Christ with the Sabbath, you look to a false Christ and are rejected by Christians and have no communion with us in the Lord.

Hebrews 4:1 says "Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands"

If we have already entered his rest, as you assert, then why does the author of Hebrews disagree with you when it says the promise of entering his rest "stills stands"? If it's a promise, it's not something that has been fulfilled. If it was fulfilled, it wouldn't be a promise, but rather it would be something we have.

**Churchwork** · 08-26-2008, 03:25 PM

You can still be born-again (Matt. 11.28; Heb. 4.1,3,8-11) which has not yet been fulfilled and may neve be. It's up to you. That's His promise. And Christians have our eternal life and future blessings with Him (Heb. 4.8-11). That's a guarantee!

jerusalemcouncil · 08-26-2008, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Churchwork

You can still be born-again (Matt. 11.28; Heb. 4.1,3,8-11) which has not yet been fulfilled and may neve be. It's up to you. That's His promise. And Christians have our eternal life and future blessings with Him (Heb. 4.8-11). That's a guarantee!

That's right, it is a guarantee - one that even Moses and King David had by their faith in the Messiah the same as we, yet they kept the law even after they were saved, and they aren't apart from Christ!

So then if they are with Christ after they had faith in him, and later kept the law, how then can you condemn one who keeps the command to "Love the LORD" through God's strength, and who keeps all His other commandments, including the Sabbath, when they too do it through God's strength?

If you recall, it was the Pharisees who claimed that Jesus operated in the power of Satan when he was obedient to God. Don't make the same mistake and call all those who claim to keep God's commandments through His strength, as really somehow doing it in their sinful nature, or in Satan's strength. Last I checked, the sinful nature, and Satan want nothing to do with the Law of God, let alone keep it.