Quote Originally Posted by beloved57
If christ died for a persons sins, then they are saved from their sins based on that, and belieivng come later.. If you believed in the true God you would not need anyone to show you such a simple premise.. You dont need to see something written until you have been born again..
The Bible says Jesus died on the cross for everyone's sin, yet not everyone is saved because not everyone has believed.

However simple the premise of a calvinist that they are saved first before believing, it is still a wrong premise because Jesus died for the sins of the whole world so that anyone could be saved who believes. And requiring no proof for a premise just because it is simple allows you to believe anything whether right or wrong as long as it is simple. It's neat by the Holy Spirit how you we can easily expose the mistaken thinking and sinful thoughts of calvinists.

A calvinist teaches you don't have to see proof by "something written" until you have been born-again. This is definitely shutting his mind down to the choice before him to come to the cross. That choice is not doing something, but it is the limited ability given to all people. The reason why a calvinist merely assumes his salvation instead of repenting to the cross is so he can be in a presumed salvation that allows him to remain in his sin nature.

Ultimately, to be a calvinist is to admit you are unsaved and do not want to be saved. The Bible says we shall know them by their fruit. Only when a calvinist is resurrected to the Great White Throne and God judges completely to throw the calvinist in hell will the calvinists finally appreciate he belongs in hell.

If you would like a history of how a typical calvinist thinks...
Are You Saved before You Believe or After?
The Gospel of Calvinism
Popular Way of Salvation