Quote Originally Posted by DD2014 View Post
I'm not saying they didn't belive in what they claim happened. I'm saying, just because someone is willing to die or suffer for a belief, does not make that belief true.
I am not saying it is true just because they truly believed it, but because there is no naturalistic way to explain it away other than it really happened, since there are no documented cases of group hallucinations no matter how grieved they were. Individually when people hallucinate, they later recant it. The disciples never retracted in their eyewitness accounts in various group settings, group after group, seeing Jesus resurrected. It was multiply attested.