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    Default Why Assume First God Does Not Exist?

    At Biblocality Forums is where the 4 Step Proof for God of the Bible originates which proves the selfless faith in Christ. If you can't isolate anything wrong with it, it proves God of the Bible.

    Step 1 - There is an exponential progression in our conscience these past 6000 years, so that it won't take much longer to reach sinlessness in the saved. That being the case obviously there would not have been an eternity of the past of cause and effects. Therefore, the only possibility is the uncreated created.

    Global conscience receives common grace; the perfecting of the saints receives eternal blessings. The unsaved are cordoned off into hell for rejecting God's love, mercy, grace and gift of salvation and forgiveness of all sins, and eternal life through the resurrection of His ONLY begotten Son.

    Step 2 - Since nothing in nature happens all by itself and always has a cause, then nature could not have caused itself. Thus, the uncreated created.

    Step 3 - Don't argue against some god for we are talking about God of the Bible. Just stay on topic. This mistake happens all too often.

    Step 4 - There can not be gods creating gods or supernatural events causing supernatural events in the eternity of the past, because they do not cause themselves and due to the exponential progression in conscience as in Step 1 since were derived from that past. Therefore, the uncreated created.

    If you can't find anything wrong with the Proof then accept that it is true. Realize the proven fact that you were created by the uncreated. Can you do that?

    If you still can't do that, know it is because you first assume God does not exist, then you try to rationalize your assumption, thus manifesting your disobedience and independency to God, so this is why you are going to hell. You remain unforgiven for all your sins; alas, you may not even realize you are a sinner because you have chosen to shut your mind down, or if you do know you are a sinner, you don't care anyway and would rather go to hell. Someone like that is a bad person. Very sad way to live!

    It has been my experience in talking to the unsaved, they are unsaved because they want to be, so no reason will work with them, no matter how beautiful and true. As one Christian said, truth for the unregenerate is a casuality of his belief system. The problem lies in emotion; that is why I recommend listening to some Christian music before you consider Christ, because where you need to be broken is in your emotion for God to be able to reach down into your spirit and renew your thinking. Think of your soul like a shell that needs to be cracked open. In fact, that is what I am going to do right now, listen to some Christian music, as I head over to the live "Christian Chat Room" at Biblocality Forums. You can ask me anything you like.

    If you watch the movie The Perfect Stranger (2005), you will find it agrees perfectly with the 4 Step Perfect Proof for God of the Bible. In 2006 the same actor played in The Stranger and in 2007, the sequel to the first movie is called Another Perfect Stranger. Who is this perfect stranger anyway? Find out!

    Let us pray for all the fundamentalist atheists/agnostics and other fundy non-believers.

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    I read somewhere that there were about 45 million deaths due to war in the 1800's with a population of about 1 billion at the start of the century. The population at that time was about a quarter to a third less on average than it was in the 20th century. There would have to be more than 180 million deaths in the 20th century with a population of 6-7 billion to achieve the same level. Therefore, on a per capita basis the murder rate has gone down.

    This is strong evidence for the exponential progression in conscience. The population 1000 BC was only 100 million, and they did lots of fighting back then, so I am convinced warring would have taken a much bigger percentage out of the populace way back then.

    Another example might be child sacrifices to the god of Molech are no longer performed, though Israel did not completely stop those evil nations. Because they did not listen to God Israel was recorded as being punished and there remains a remnant: e.g. Islam bringing up their children to be suicide mass murderers.

    World War I: 14'000'000
    Armenian Genocide: 1'000'000
    Russian Civil War: 12'500'000
    Chaco War: 3'000'000
    Spanish Civil War: 600'000
    Colonial Wars (varied): 1'500'000
    World War II: 65'000'000
    Wars 1945-2000: 40'000'000
    Soviet Collectivization: 20'000'000
    Mao Regime Deaths: 25'000'000

    ESTIMATE 20th Century: 182'600'000
    ESTIMATE 19th Century: 45'000'000

    45'000'000 * 4.057 = 182'600'000 (this is reasonable since there was 4x the population in th 20th century than the 19th century).

    So there is no significant difference between the 19th and 20th century deaths due to war, even though you might have thought there would be significantly more in the 20th century due to two major world wars, overcrowding, and the advent of nuclear explosions. If the estimated population is 10 billion in the 20th century, that is a population 100x that of 1000 BC. There would need to be 100x more deaths due to war, but that is not the case. One would be hard pressed to even suggest 200 million will die in 21st century due to war. With the Great Tribulation, 1/3 of the people of the earth will die, but this is followed by the 1000 year reign of Christ when the lamb and the lion lay down together in peace.

    Child sacrifices were a common occurrence in many evil nations. These child sacrifices take place at age 5 to 10 years of age, or older. This is considerably different than abortions because a child is a living, breathing, thinking person, but a fetus is not. No matter how wrong it is to kill a fetus, to kill a living, breathing, thinking child is as wrong as it gets.

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    Another example of an exponential improvement in conscience I just thought of is slavery. In olden days, slavery was deemed acceptable, but rarely do you find that to be the case since the 19th century.

    Slavery was widespread throughout the Roman Empire. In these early days, Christians did not have the political power to change the slavery system. Paul didn't condemn or condone slavery, but he worked to transform relationships. The Good News begins to change social structures by changing the people within those structures.

    " 15 Perhaps you could think of it this way: Onesimus ran away for a little while so you could have him back forever. 16 He is no longer just a slave; he is a beloved brother, especially to me. Now he will mean much more to you, both as a slave and as a brother in the Lord." (Phil. 15,16).

    Onesimus was a slave of Philemon and he had run away, but Paul reconciled them back together because he led them both to Christ.

    "20 You should continue on as you were when God called you. 21 Are you a slave? Don't let that worry you-but if you get a chance to be free, take it. 22 And remember, if you were a slave when the Lord called you, the Lord has now set you free from the awful power of sin. And if you were free when the Lord called you, you are now a slave of Christ. 23 God purchased you at a high price. Don't be enslaved by the world. [fn3] 24 So, dear brothers and sisters, [fn4] whatever situation you were in when you became a believer, stay there in your new relationship with God" (1 Cor. 7.20-24).

    Even though there were slaves in ancient times, they could still be brothers in Christ.

    "5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. 6 Work hard, but not just to please your masters when they are watching. As slaves of Christ, do the will of God with all your heart. 7 Work with enthusiasm, as though you were working for the Lord rather than for people. 8 Remember that the Lord will reward each one of us for the good we do, whether we are slaves or free.
    9 And in the same way, you masters must treat your slaves right. Don't threaten them; remember, you both have the same Master in heaven, and he has no favorites" (Eph. 6.5-9).

    "22 You slaves must obey your earthly masters in everything you do. Try to please them all the time, not just when they are watching you. Obey them willingly because of your reverent fear of the Lord. 23 Work hard and cheerfully at whatever you do, as though you were working for the Lord rather than for people. 24 Remember that the Lord will give you an inheritance as your reward, and the Master you are serving is Christ. 25 But if you do what is wrong, you will be paid back for the wrong you have done. For God has no favorites who can get away with evil.
    You slave owners must be just and fair to your slaves. Remember that you also have a Master-in heaven" (Col. 3.22-4.1).

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