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    Quote Originally Posted by n2thelight View Post
    Remember from Numbers 24:21 that this is where the little Kenites like to be, hiding in nests of the rock.
    Though the Kenites received the favor of God for awhile in how they treated Israel, it did not last. People have their beautiful homes which have gone up 50 to 100% in the last 10 years in USA, but the great reckoning is coming. Ship merchants around the globe will cry in tears they won't be able to sell their products to USA anymore.

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    "There is no such thing as Christian nations, for the Church and the state are always separate. It is true already millennia ago Israel lost its rights before God and the temple was destroyed at 70 AD. I agree with you that these various so-called Christian holidays are not Christian at all. Jesus was born in Sept-Oct, not in Dec"
    So who is Israel?

    There has been much confusion over who is Israel and who are Christians in regards to the end-time prophecies in the book of Revelation. Much of the confusion is due in no small part to the false teaching of a Rapture doctrine wherein they 'need' the Christian Church to be gone after {Rev 4:1} for support of their errant theories. And if they were to accept that the 144,000 'sealed of Israel' {Rev chp.7} are not Jews but rather Christians from the 10 lost tribes of Israel then their Rapture theory washes of it's foundation of sand.

    [removed the long diatribe that builds on this mistaken assumption and false premise that you accuse Chritians of that Christians don't believe anyway]

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    Quote Originally Posted by n2thelight View Post
    So who is Israel?

    There has been much confusion over who is Israel and who are Christians in regards to the end-time prophecies in the book of Revelation. Much of the confusion is due in no small part to the false teaching of a Rapture doctrine wherein they 'need' the Christian Church to be gone after {Rev 4:1} for support of their errant theories. And if they were to accept that the 144,000 'sealed of Israel' {Rev chp.7} are not Jews but rather Christians from the 10 lost tribes of Israel then their Rapture theory washes of it's foundation of sand.
    The Church doesn't believe we are raptured at 4.1 or anywhere near 4.1. That is your mistaken assumption of what the Church believes. Christians also believe Rev. 7.1-8 is the nation of Israel, not Christians, so again you accuse falsely. This shows you are not right in your assessments and accusations and are in need of repentance. The first rapture is seen at Rev. 7.9 (see Rev. 3.10,12.5; Luke 21.36; Matt. 24.42) and the later harvest is at 14.14-16 commensurate with 11.15 (see 1 Cor. 15.23,50-52; 1 Thess. 4.15-17).

    And Israel is the first nation God revealed Himself to. This will never change. They were always the first. They are the fig tree those who are saved have been grafted into: "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer [is] nigh" (Matt. 24.32). When Israel looks as though it is soon to receive Christ at His near return, then the millennial summer is near.

    v.32 The word “now” marks the beginning of the second part. Since the Lord gives this part of His prophecy on the Mount of Olives—a place where there are many fig trees —He quite naturally could use the fig tree as an illustration. “When her branch is now become tender”—This speaks of the return of life. “And putteth forth its leaves”—This means the manifestation of life. The fig tree represents the Jews (Jer. 24.2,5,8). Earlier the Lord had cursed the fig tree which possessed only leaves but had no fruit. In reality the curse was upon the Jews who possessed the outward rituals but had no reality. “Summer” is the season of growth as winter is the season of withering and death. In the summer, life shows its greatest vigor, the air is warm, and the days are bright. It is a golden season, and therefore it stands for the kingdom. The Jews today are in the winter time. Winter points to tribulation, particularly the Great Tribulation. Spring speaks of rapture (see S.S. 2.10-14); summer speaks of the kingdom (see Luke 21.30-31). In Luke 21.29-30 we have the words “and all the trees”—which phrase represents the nations (see Daniel 4.10-17 and Judges 9.8-15). When “all the trees ... now shoot forth” (Luke 21.29-30), this is a signifying that nationalism will have been greatly developed among many peoples and nations.

    It makes me very sad to hear that you don't want to be raptured like an Enoch or an Elijah or like Christ Himself was. So shall you not be raptured during the last week consummation of this age and will pass through the Tribulation. Whether you take the mark of the beast I do not know, but if God lets you into the millennial kingdom, you will yet have to believe individually.

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