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crosswin,
It's possible to know of God but not place your faith in Him. There are many people going to "local assemblies" that are not part of the Body of Christ, which is the True Church. The local assemblies were real local assemblies and are not in totality limited to the Body of Christ (which is not seven, but is one).

The universal church is indeed one, but local expressions of the church like Ephesus, Smyrna, and Philadelphia are real localities. Rev. 2 & 3 is a calendar of the dispensation of grace in the church age. It shows us the condition of the church periods. We are in the Laodicean church period now, the last one, of "differing opinions" such as believing you will be raptured before the Tribulation no matter how sinful you are. This is not in good conscience to be sure. During the 19th century was the Philadelphia church period when first rapture according to readiness was widely accepted. Those in the church are saved. Those who go to a meeting may not be saved, thus they would not be described as the church. All those who break bread should be saved. The kingdom of heaven includes within it, the outward appearance of of the unsaved tares and the saved wheat. Outside the kingdom of heaven is the dogs, the unsaved who admit they are not even in the kingdom.

You have to take the seven letters in Revelation with the rest of God's Word. John in his letters tells us who the overcomers are, and they are those who are in Christ. The Smyrna and Philadelphia Assemblies are not infested with unbelievers. There are some believers in every assembly, but some have many more than claim to know Christ but do not.

John in his letters says who the overcomers are. He says they are those who are called out of the body of Christ unto rewards. All believers overcome in Christ, but it is a matter of when. Those who are ready at the first rapture are received according to readiness. None of the churches are infested with unbelievers since everyone in the church is saved. Though there are those who hang around in the sphere of the kingdom, they are not all saved. Assembly is not constituted the church. The church is the body of Christ. An assembly is the local church which may have some non-believers in it, but the church as the body of Christ has no unbelievers.
Read Rev. 2 & 3 again to see that in each church there are called out ones who overcome to receive a reward. Such ones would be accounted worthy to be received at the first rapture. All Christians overcome, except not by the time of first rapture. There is still the Tribulation that must pass as well as the rewards in the millennial kingdom for overcomer believers.

Being worthy in Christ means just that. Apart from Him no one will be found worthy. In Him we are all Accepted, Justified and Worthy. If we abuse that Liberty we have in Christ the Father will discipline us, and no one has suggested that God turns a blind eye to what we do because we are in Christ...

Since God does not turn a blind eye, then you shall not be received at the first rapture since you overassume your readiness and lack the humility to be an overcomer believer, considering first rapture according to readiness and abiding in the condition of Rev. 3.10 and Luke 21.36. Moreover it is wrong to accuse Christians of being unsaved who were not ready to be received at the first rapture.

Luke is not talking about the Rapture. I think you are reading that into what he says... There are no signs connected to the Rapture.
IMHO :):

Luke is talking about rapture and the proof was supplied in this thread. The signs connected with rapture were already stated, though you must be able to reason with a clear conscience when reading what has already been given.
Opinion is not necessarily truth. It must be proven. Read it again.

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This is the Age of Grace.
Each one of these verses, will tell you that you will not go through the 7 year Trib. that God will keep you from it, that is if you are born again.
John 14:3 Romans 8:16-25
Romans 14:10-12 1 Corinthians 3:13-15
1 Corinthians 4:5 1 Corinthians 6:14
1 Corinthians 7:29-31 1 Corinthians 15:42-56
2 Corinthians 4:14 2 Corinthians 5:1-5
2 Corinthians 5:10 Ephesians 4:30
Ephesians 5:27 Philippians 1:6 Philippians 1:10 Philippians 2:16
Philippians 3:9-11 Colossians 3:4
1 Thessalonians 1:10 1 Thessalonians 2:19-20
1 Thessalonians 3:12-13 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
1 Thessalonians 5:9 1 Thessalonians 5:23
1 Timothy 6:14-15 2 Timothy 1:12
2 Timothy 4:8 Titus 2:13
Hebrews 10:25 Hebrews 10:37
Hebrews 11:35 James 1:12
1 Peter 1:5 1 Peter 1:7
1 Peter 1:13 1 Peter 4:7
1 Peter 5:4 2 Peter 1:11
1 John 2:28 1 John 3:2-3
Revelation 3:10-11 Revelation 4:1-11
Revelation 5 1-14

Not a single one of these verse say you will escape the Tribulation for being just a Christian. Read them.

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Crosswin
I guess I got in to the middle of all of this, sorry, I did miss some of what was said.
If you want me out of if it just say, or I'll try to catch up some.
I'm pre trib and one rapture.

You're welcome to stay. Just know that though there are arguments against a posttrib onlyism, there is many more assumptions made by pretrib onlyism.

Ergo, the recommendation to you is let the Lord humble you, so that you remove the dissension from pre and post by seeing first rapture is according to readiness (Rev. 3.10, Luke 21.36).

There are other verses too like 1 Thess. 5.2,4 which show us we don't know when the Lord comes, but the second rapture occurs because we know when the Lord comes.

Mark 13 states a first rapture, “But of that day or that hour knoweth no one, not even the angels in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father” (v.32), So that the day of the coming of Christ is unknown. But 1 Thessalonians 4 declares that “the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God” (v.16) indicating a last trumpet rapture.

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You are saying that since I over assume my readiness I'm not going?
Jesus is not contradicting Paul in the letters, and Paul makes it clear all believers go.
The proof is lacking and just your opinion. Signs connected to the Rapture? It wasn't even revealed during the time Christ was here preaching the coming Kingdom! Sometimes taking our own advice is best...

By overassuming is a function of puffiness without evidence for your view. You have therefore said in no uncertain terms you need not be ready at first rapture, and shall be received anyway, despite the conditions given and the overcomers called out in each of the 7 churches that receive special reward.

All believers go, but not at the same time. Some believers have died already. The Lord is already in heaven. Enoch and Elijah were already raptured. There were those raptured in Matt. 27.52. There could be those raptured we have not even heard about. We still remain on earth. And some believers are yet to be born. The body of Christ is figurative and just because there seems to be these separations, we are still one in Christ.

The proof is clear, when God gives a condition, it is a condition, and should not be interpreted otherwise. These are believers in Luke 21 and these are believers in Rev. 3. They are all saved, except some abide in the condition, and some do not. Ergo, some pass through Tribulation and some do not.

The signs pertain to the context first and foremost. We see the condition given, that if you are watchful and patient and ready, you shall be received at the first rapture, but if you are not, you will pass through the Tribulation whether you realize it is the Tribulation or not. The accounts of Luke 21 and Matthew 24 are quite alike, except that Matthew stresses more the coming of Christ and the Tribulation while Luke focuses more on the destruction of Jerusalem and the Tribulation. Hence there is the famous question asked in Matthew (24.3), and there are also more parables recorded in Matthew’s account than in Luke’s, but scholars quite agree that Matt. 24.26-35, Luke 21.25-37 and Mark 13.24-31 correspond to the same period and all these signs disclosed within. And Matt. 24.1-25 corresponds to Mark 13.1-23 and Luke 21.5-24.

Sometimes taking your own advice is just not good because it is just self. Rapture is something slowly brought into view, however it was known even in time of Enoch and Elijah for they were translated, so it is wrong of you to say rapture was not known. Hence, Luke 21.36 is first rapture according to readiness to escape the the hour of trial that is to come upon the whole world, a condition that can only be promised by rapture, since death is no promise or blessing.

The kingdom is that which Israel had long since been looking for which is the Messianic Kingdom concurrent with the millennial kingdom, so it is wrong to say it was not been being sought after, for with Christ on earth, you would expect his explantion of it, and so He explains it will be like the times of Noah. Enoch was translated and Noah went through the Tribulation, which is a type of rapture for the last trumpet.

"For that day will come upon everyone living on earth" (Luke 21.35). Pray that you may escape these things and stand before the Son of man, that is, before the throne in 3rd heaven (Rev. 7.9). There can be no rapture found in Rev. 4, 5 or 6. It is only at the interjection before the Trumpets are blown (Rev. 8), that we see first rapture of overcomer believers raptured alive because they kept the Word of His patience (Rev. 3.10). Later we see the last trumpet rapture (Rev. 11.15, 1 Thess. 4.15-17).