The Insufficient Grace of Irresistible Grace

Re: CBALLEN (Youtube)

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Originally Posted by CBALLEN

Jesus drank the cup of wrath for His people alone saving them from their sin,if He'd took the wrath for every individual that has ever or will ever be born,then there would be no more wrath for God to pour out,however the Bible says God will pour out wrath on the wicked for their sin.Please check this out because it's very important.

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That's not true, since the person has a choice to receive it. His atonement doesn't automatically make someone saved, but the person has the choice to receive it. If you say you can't receive it then you never received it, and therefore, will go to Hell. There are no verses in Scripture for assuming one is to be irresistibly saved.

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The Bible clearly states that no one has the ability to come to Christ.God the Father must draw the ones who will be saved to Jesus,He decides who will come and be saved,the only reason people aren't saved is because the Father never draws them and as far as Jesus saying He'll draw all men to Him self if He be lifted up, merely means Gentiles as well as Jews because Salvation had always been for the Jews and not the Gentiles before.The Jewish believers were amazed to here Gent. could be saved.

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The Bible clearly states we all have the ability to come to Christ since God provides us all with sufficient grace to be able to do so. "Blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended by me" (Luke 7.23). God does not decide who will come and be saved as if by irresistibly imposing since He affords us this choice. "Come unto me...and I will give you rest" (Matt. 11.28). What God does do is supply us with all the options available to us since everything is under His divine care. God draws everyone, but sadly many such as yourself draw back unto perdition. Not everyone drawn receives Christ. His Spirit is working everywhere but doesn't mean everyone is saved. He draws all men to Him because all things sum up in Christ; it does not mean everyone He draws is to be saved. All Jews and all Gentiles are drawn to Him. Grace was given to all men even non-Jews as common grace was sufficient enough just as it was for the Jews before Christ came. But how gracious God is He died on the cross for the sins of the whole world. There are no verses in Scripture for irresistible grace.

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Since God knew who were His before time,He's not waiting patiently for goats to believe in Jesus when He knows there is no chance that this will happen.So 2 Peter 3:9 means God will send Jesus back only after all His people have been born and justified,not everyone,that would make God retarded if He was waiting on goats to come,see what I mean?In Heaven people won't even be allowed to sin,it won't even exist,He also could have made Earth without sinners and sin,but they were part of His plan.

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Of course God foreknows everyone who will come to Him, since His knowledge is infinite. He foreknows our free choice. By the way goats refers to the bad nations; sheep refers to the good nations in Matt. 25.31-46 so I think you are misusing this Scripture passage. 2 Pet. 3.9 says, "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." Since God is not willing that anyone should perish then He is against Calvinism since He would not want anyone who is born into sin, which is everyone, to perish; ergo, He provides sufficient grace to all men. Your god is impotent and pathetic to be able to do this. God is not waiting for a bunch of robots to come along. God's plan is not for there to be sinners. That is sick and twisted making your god the author of evil and who therefore, must be Satan. God uses evil for good, but God does not bring about evil; evil is a result of disobedience and independency to God, but in time God will reconcile all things. Those such as Calvinists will go to Hell for refusing to repent and believe in Him to be regenerated.

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The Bible states clearly that nothing or no one can thwart God's will.So if it is God's will to save everyone and everyone doesn't get saved then someone is wrong in their belief.We know that all men will not go to Heaven and since man can't thwart God's will,then it must not be God's will for everyone to go to Heaven.So you need to start looking closer at the context of scripture if you think that God wants all men saved, He knows all things including the saved and the lost before time

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You are attempting to thwart God's divine providence because you believe you can just assuming you were irresistibly selected. The reality is though God gives you this choice to pompously and pridefully claim this about yourself, He will not save you one iota because you refuse to repent and believe in Him to be regenerated. Just because not everyone goes to Heaven because not everyone receives the cross freely (e.g. Calvinists don't receive the cross freely), doesn't mean God doesn't want everyone to go to Heaven. A righteous God can still want everyone to be saved even though not everyone wants it. That's like saying Hitler doesn't want everyone to be the chosen race, certainly not the Jews, so send them to the gas chambers. Do you see you are a sick bastard CBALLEN? God will never give you His life. God knows all things, those who go to Hell and those who get saved, but don't think God sends them to Hell without sufficient grace to respond or saves people irresistibly. That's what an evil tyrant does.

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Originally Posted by CBALLEN

Troy,when did God let you know who was and was not born again.

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When did God let me know when you were not born-again? I like to be specifc. He told me when you were not born again when you told me you refuse to repent and believe in Christ to be regenerated. How sad for you. James White is a bad man and so is Charles Spurgeon who are also going to Hell. You guys don't know what you do.

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People repent and believe because God regenerates them first,He  makes us born again,we don't make oursleves born again.

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That's a charade to tell people to repent and believe. If someone is irresistibly regenerated then they are according to you going to do so anyway. God does the part of making us born again after we do the part of coming to the cross as helpless sinners. This is God's design. You don't like, but it's true. Just know there is no verse to support irresistible grace, so all you are doing is assuming pridefully you were irresistibly selected, never repented and believed to be regenerated.

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Those who believe on Christ Jesus have been born again.This is simply saying that those who believe the gospel have confirmation that God has regenerated them,belief is not a means to being BORN AGAIN.Grace ,faith belief Justification ect. are all Gifts of God,sinful man does not possess saving faith within himself,everything must be granted to man for man's salvation.The natural man can neither know or understand the things of God and salvation and the gospel are most definitely things of God.

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One can look back upon their salvation, but this should not be used to deny that in order to be regenerated one must come to the cross genuinely, repentantly and believing on him, otherwise a person has simply assumed he was selected, and assumptions are killers. "For the grace of God has appeared for the salvation of all men" (Tit. 2.11); therefore, all men can be saved whosoever is willing. Belief is the means to be born again, justified by what? Faith. You can freely obtain this gift from God. "We have also obtained access by faith into this grace" (Rom. 5.2), "for by grace are ye saved through faith" (Eph. 2.8). We are not robots. It's not all of God since God is relational. He enjoys giving us the choice, wooing us to His door, inviting us in. This is something your god can't do.