Satan is Trying Counterfeit God's Redemptive Design
Re: 1689Baptist
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Originally Posted by 1689Baptist
God did decree child rape or it wouldn't exist
There is a difference between your kind of decreeing and allowing. In your decreeing, your god causes it without giving people the choice, but in allowing, people do have the choice. Where God of the Bible provides sufficient grace to all to have the choice, your god is impotent to be able to. Like Satan would be unable to also.
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Tell that to a woman that has been raped, God just allowed this to happen even though He is all powerful and could have stopped it, you just was important enough! No, it is much better to tell them God decreed this For His Glory even though we can't understand it now God will be Glorified. There is comfort in that b/c God's Glory is worth more than anything we can go through.
Why accuse me of God not stopping it when your god doesn't stop it? A doublestandard is unethical. The reason why God allows it is because if He were to prevent all rape then man would not have free will and there would not be consequences to sin. Rape is a sin that comes from a previous sin realistically that sin begets sin. To claim God decreed rape irresistibly is to make God the author of sin, the Devil, and a rapist. If it is evil for us to overlook sin then it is evil for God, so we can understand so don't shut your mind down. God shows us now in His word, His reasons you reject. In a natural world where we are born into sin from the first Adam, God displays His redemptive design and power over sin by the cross as well as the sufficiency of His grace to all men to receive His saving grace: "Savior of all men, specially those who believe" (1 Tim. 4.10). This is very foreign to your god.
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Of course God does not stop it, God decrees it. You are the one with a God that supposedly wants to stop it but some how just can't quit bring himself to do it.
You can think of two different kinds of decreeing. One whereby your god irresistibly makes it to happen so that your god is a the author of sin (the Devil). Or decreeing by foreknowing our free-choice of our correct choices and positive results, and bad choices and consequential sin that follows. Satan does not stop raping I agree. You don't call your god Satan, or maybe you do, but that's who he is. Whereas God wants the sin to stop (unlike your god), but He is not going to stop it by infringing on our free will, reducing us to robots, or be unholy in His approach, otherwise we would be lesser beings in that case. His grace is working and eventually, but righteously, that sin will end. But you will always have the sin of rejecting God so you will stay in Hell for eternity.
At the core what you fail to see is God wants to be with the utmost beings He can create. Having created us perfectly in His image, He treats us with the responsibility that goes with that highest of standings in all His creation. A possible response by us might be to swat a mosquito that is ticking at us. But God doesn't treat us like bugs. We are much more than bugs. He gives us free will. In fact, by the time of the New City will be raised above the angels so we are His highest creation. Angels would be too high, given too much power.
My prayer is one day you give your life to Christ. Amen.
If James White is Saved, You'll Want to Go to Hell
Re: FillTheirVoid - Youtube
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Originally Posted by FillTheirVoid
If God didn't decree it, then it wouldn't have happened. He worketh all things according to the counsel of His own will.
Indeed, God even decreed the most sinful act ever ... namely the crucifixion of His Son at the hands of ungodly men.
It's sad how the more people learn about God, the more they despise Him.
The question is, how does God decree? Does He do so my irresistibly imposing or by foreknowing our free-choice? Obviously the latter, since God pleads with us to receive what His only begotten Son did on the cross. God did not decree sin in the sense you think that makes him Satan, the author of sin. God did not crucify His own Son, but foreknew men's choices, and His Son agreed He would pay for the sins of the world. It sad there are so many false Christians such as yourself.
Re: ShownMercy - Youtube
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Originally Posted by ShownMercy
Does God decree murder? How about the merciless beating and murder of a sinless man? Has God ever decreed such an atrocity?
God foreknows all things, so He decrees all things (that is, everything is within His provision, otherwise it would be libertarian free will), but not in the way the god of Calvinism does, as previously said, because God provides SUFFICIENT GRACE to us all to have the choice, whereas such is not the case under Calvinism, therefore, the decreeing of the god of Calvinism is Satanic. The god of Calvinism is none other than that old serpent, the dragon, fallen Lucifer.
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Originally Posted by FillTheirVoid
God's decree isn't based upon human action ... BUT THE COUNSEL OF HIS OWN WILL. He determines in sovereignty whatsoever which shall come to pass, even the actions and sins of men and angels ... God did crucify His own Son by the secondary means of the hands of ungodly men. It is the LORD who caused Him to suffer ... It truly is sad there are so many false Christians who hate the God of the bible.
The counsel of His own will is to give people free will to have the choice. God has infinite foreknowledge and determines all things, but He is not Satan whom you worship who is the author of sin. God did not kill His own Son, but it was the Romans who put Him to death on the cross and Satan. You said your god killed Jesus, so you are admitting you worship the Devil. Satan accuses God, and God makes a liar out of you. At the hands of men was God's primary means to provide salvation to the world, it wasn't a secondary mean.
It is the Lord who allowed Him to suffer at the hands of evil men and be the propitiation for not only your sins but the sins of the whole world, whosoever is willing. You are not born-again since you are unwilling to repent and believe in Christ to be regenerated. Just know God's word is clear, "I have set before you life and death.... Choose life.... Love the LORD thy God" (Deut. 30.19-20). He would not say this if you could not do it! God has given you free will to have the choice, but sadly you reject the God who provides sufficient grace to all men. "To make his power known, endured with much longsuffering" (Rom. 9.22); enduring and longsuffering is sufficient grace to all!
Your god of Calvinism is a split image of Hitler who also sends the Jews from birth to the gas chambers, giving them no mercy or grace to enable them to be able receive salvation. And irresistibly selects an Aryan race. You believe in speciesism which is racist. Your murderous prostestant pope of Geneva is quite like Hitler.
