Men with Numbers - Backtracking Predictions

Backtracking Predictions

Men with Numbers Trying to Feel Special

People have an idea then try to rationalize that idea with their own strength and talent - see video.

I think anyone's position is wrong at the outset when he or she starts with a claim that we can know when Christ returns; then says he is unsure after claiming a particular year, e.g. deciding that 2006 will be a year of great change instead. We can't know the when. We can never know the hour or the day of Christ's return; that is why we are to be accounted worthy and ready to escape the hour of trial of the Tribulation (Rev. 3.10, Luke 21.36) because the Lord will come like a thief to steal the best first at the first rapture.

When the day of the Lord approaches we can know the season, which means months away, but not the day. To know the season we have to have that season upon us. We can not know unless we are in the season to know. Christ could return at any time. The season upon is after the general prophecies are fulfilled like Israel returning to her homeland and many people taking the mark of the beast implant voluntarily. When Antichrist is close to making a 7 year treaty with Israel (when they are talking about it and many people are expecting this arrangement), Israel's Sanhedrin is set up, and they are in the midst of making sacrifices as the temple is being built (after the temple is completed there is 2300 days before the appearance of Christ). All the other days estimates and times estimates are uncertain, merely educated guesses. The last week is 84 thirty day months.

The only certainties are the ones I have described to you that I for one can be certain of. This takes humility not step where you do not belong. Other certainties are also evident when in the Trib: 1/3 of the people of the earth die in Great Trib (Rev. 9.18) and an army of 200 million machines (v.18) amass in the middle east over oil.

People love playing with the numbers and though they may be right, they are more likely wrong, giving the number of attempts that have failed through the centuries with than emphasis on their own time. Newton himself had perhaps a dozen different dates he was considering, even centuries from his own time, then settled on 2060, 1260 years from 800 AD when the RCC is said to have started with Charlemagne. Historicalism creates many faulty ideas as this, and premillennialists can make their own errors too.

Let us take the most humble position, then we shall not be deceived by false Christs.

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It was wrong for you to say the time or times will end this year. 2012, 2013 are of course very popular dates from Christian and non-Christian sources.

Consider the thought what if hundreds if not thousands of people are missing this year for some odd and strange reason, even murdered. Would this not constitute a first rapture by many for there is no explanation their whereabouts. Then someone adds up all these missing people - which may be just according to sheer population of 6 billion souls, it would seem like a lot of people are missing if 100,000 people can't be found. This may be a tactic of the Antichrist.

Next, the first rapture needs be according to readiness (Rev. 3.10, Luke 21.36), not for the whole Church; most of the Church will pass through Tribulation.

If you think you will be raptured before the Tribulation not according to readiness and only because you are born-again, then what happens when you are in the Tribulation, not realizing it is the Tribulation since you assumed you would be raptured at the first rapture? You are convinced therefore the Tribulation has not started yet, when it very well may have as would be indicated by many missing people and the indicative prophecies achieved with many missing people raptured before the throne in 3rd heaven (Rev. 7.9) to fulfill that some be taken while others left like in the days of Noah (Matt. 24.37,40-41). Noah was taken, Noah was left, also a type of rapture, but through the flood (the "left").

Let's say it is 2007 now (2006 has passed - video propopses 2006 is the beginning of the 7 year Tribulation). Your figures then point to 2006 that seemed to have failed you. You did not treat first rapture according to readiness, yet there are many missing because they were raptured at first rapture; or God forbid the Antichrist deceives with a tactic of saying and proving many people are missing for unknown reasons. You would change your tune to be deceived the falling star (Rev. 9.1) forsaking the morning star, and looking for new dates that are just in front of you to build your man-made organization as the unsaved "tares" trying to look like the saved wheat (Matt. 13). And every couple of years you would continue to do this like Jack Van Impe.

Bottom line: those who sell products in the name of the Lord and call themselves Apostles ought not to be trusted for the Apostles did no such thing. When you claim apostolic, your authority is not accepted unless you can agree with the questions here at registration (and in your profile) which is agreed to by the Apostles, for we are in agreement.