Peggy McIlveene of his-forever.com claims only Some Christians are Born-Again
Re: Peggy McIlveene at his-forever.com
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Originally Posted by AlwaysLoved
You don't understand partial rapture because you said, "Those true believers who are not living faithful and dedicated lives when the Lord comes in the air for His saints will be left behind to be purified during the first three and a half year period..."
Just this sentence alone shows lots of misunderstanding on your part:
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in NO way believe any TRUE believer will go through ANY PART of the Tribulation. Yahshua's Bride (the TRUE Church) is not destined for wrath, which is what the Tribulation is. It is mainly for the remnant of Jews who will be saved. And is also for those who are not Messiah's. The Bible is very clear on both counts. We have already be "purified" through belief in His shed blood, which covers our sins.
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1) All believers are true believers since all are born-again and cannot lose eternal life.
Muslims are believers in Allah... does that make them have eternal life? All believers are NOT born again. Any creature that draws breath has Father Yahweh's Spirit in them... that's what animates them. But only those who are born again have Yahshua's Spirit (the Comforter He promised to send once He was gone from this earth).
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2) The Lord does not come to the air at the first rapture at the first trumpet, but the overcomers are raptured at the first rapture "before the throne" (Rev. 7.9) in 3rd heaven. Whereas 1 Thess. 4.14-18 is to the air at the last trumpet for all those believers who are "alive" and "left" with those who are asleep.
And you are wrong that He does not come in the air at the first Rapture. The angel told Peter, James and John: "They also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven." (Acts 1:11) And how did they watch Him go into Heaven? A cloud covered Him out of their sight. He will return IN A CLOUD at the Rapture, the SAME WAY. The "Last Trumpet" does not mean the last trumpet JUDGMENT.
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3) The Tribulation is no so much a purifying for believers, but a judgment upon the world. Left to go through like Noah had to go through and was not raptured like Enoch simply indicates they were not ready yet to be received. They still may not overcometh during the Tribulation and receive the reward of returning with Christ to reign for 1000 years.
He can read our hearts; if we truly are TRUE believers, we have eternal life and are sealed by the Holy Spirit. We do not need to be purified; we are made pure by belief in Yahshua's shed blood... our perfect sacrifice, and the only sacrifice acceptable to Father since the New Covenant. Tell me, if you will, WHO the Tribulation is for, according to this Scripture: "Come, my people, enter into your rooms and close your doors behind you; hide for a little while until indignation runs its course. For behold, Yahweh is about to come out from His place to punish (see Romans 8:1 and Psalm 103:12) the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; and the earth will reveal her bloodshed and will no longer cover her slain." (Isaiah 26:20-21) The Bride's iniquity is not counted against her, nor will His Bride be punished because of our belief.
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4) The Tribulation is 7 years as are all Daniel's sixty-nine sevens; the second half is 3 1/2 years. Why should purifying exclude the first half?
Again, we are already purified by belief. Agreed on the 7 years.
A Christian is defined as someone who is "born-again." "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again" (John 3.7). This is a Christian. A Christian is not something other than this. Those who are born-again truly lived for Him whatever stage they are in, whether babes in Christ or spiritual Christians. All Christians have died on the cross with Christ and received forgiveness of their sins. This is the starting point of being a new creation.
You're under the mistaken assumption Joel Osteen or those in denominations are Christians. The truth of your mistaken assumption is that they were never born-again.
You posted that article on your site, so I responded to it whoever may have written it. I'm not a mind reader. If you disagree with it then you should say so rather than putting it up on your site making people think it comes from you.
Your issue with wrath is flawed, because you assume just because someone is born-again in the Tribulation that God's wrath is on Him. That is a shameful thought on your part. Moreover, the wrath of God in Revelation is stipulated as being the Bowls period which lasts 24 months (2 years) of the 84 months of the Tribulation. Hence, being raptured at the start of those 24 months a Christian would not enter the 7th Trumpet Bowls period. This would be the general rapture and resurrection. Whereas, the first rapture is before the 1st Trumpet at the start of the 84 months of the Tribulation. Partial rapture and Revelation are very precise.
You say Christians won't enter the Tribulation, but a new believer who comes to Christ at that time are in the Tribulation. And martyrs in the Tribulation are Christians who get raised 3.5 days after they go to rest Scripture says. Since Matt. 24.40-42, Luke 21.36 and Rev. 3.10 state the condition for being first raptured, if a Christian doesn't fulfill the condition then he or she will go through the Tribulation. When you are in the Tribulation, not realizing it, and see that a couple million people vanish, you will be like Satan accusing the brethren day and night (Rev. 12.10). Whereas I would just accept the fact that I was not ready to be received at that time and had more to overcome. As T. Austin Sparks said with regard to the first rapture, "there are advanced parties and harbingers in every sphere."
The Jews have just as much right to come to Christ as anyone during the Tribulation. The Holy Spirit remains at work. The Church remains in place to help lead people to Christ and continue fellowship. How evil otherwise! Only those who are overcomers at the first rapture are taken up beforehand, because they were ready to be received like Enoch was taken up before the flood.
Muslims do not believe in God, they worship Allah as Satan unwittingly. They do not worship God as you claimed. All believers are born-again. A believer is someone who comes to the cross as a helpless sinner to receive the Lord Jesus as Savior. Muslims don't believe this so they are not born-again. They reject Jesus is God. They don't even believe Jesus died on the cross. I am scared for you, because one only wonders what other bizarre teachings you add on top of claiming a Christian is not saved. How Satanic!
The first rapture is "before the throne" (Rev. 7.9) in 3rd heaven before the 1st trumpet of the Tribulation (8.7). Whereas the rapture and resurrection at the start of the last trumpet (11.15) is to the air (1 Thess. 4.14-18). There are 7 Trumpets of the Tribulation. Trumpets are loud like the Tribulation will be, whereas the Bowls are larger than cups and poured silently because so much is happening in such a short period of time in the last 24 months. The 6 Seals are the past 20 centuries, general in nature, where 1/4th are killed due to war and hunger (6.8). In the Great Tribulation though 1/3rd are killed (9.18). Don't mix these two periods. The 7th Trumpet pours out the 7 Bowls of Wrath. It's a lock tumbler of the 7th of each Seven opening up the next Seven with every greater intensity and shorter duration unto the consummation. There is the first rapture according to readiness before the Tribulation and the 7th trumpet rapture and resurrection for those who are "alive" and "left" (1 Thess. 4.148) as per completion of God's grace. Obviously, those who are alive are left, so what is meant is that there are those who were not taken at the first rapture, but were left to be raptured at the 7th Trumpet. They are raptured along with those resurrected who were asleep. They do not precede those who are asleep in Christ.
You said you do not need to be purified. So you remain in your sins. So why does God plead with Christians after being born-again to strive to win the race? Do you prefer to remain in your sins and flesh and be what Paul calls a "carnal Christian"? Why would Jesus tell believers to abide in the conduct of Matthew 5-7 if you are already doing so in your alleged purification state? You are what is called an "antinomian" (false Christian, i.e. nominal Christian) which is claiming forgiveness of sins yet not caring to abide in the law that remains, for not one tittle removed till all these things are finished. Just because one is redeemed by God and made a new creation with his or her spirit regenerated, given eternal life, and the Holy Spirit entered through the window of her conscience, does not mean a Christian does not have things to overcome such as unaware sins and selfish habits. Your petty self and good self, as well as the supernatural evil, need to be contended against daily. It is as though you have taken only half the salvation God offers, because He also says to take up your cross daily and bear your cross which is a life long experience in overcoming. All Christians overcome since all Christians are born-again, but not all Christians overcometh at the same time. Hence, rewards play an important factor in God's kingdom.
The Lord has told me you are not a Christian, never been born-again, but an antinomian. You take the forgiveness, but don't intend to grow in that faith, being consecrated, purified, overcoming and humble. You sound judgmental but you judge wrongly.
