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I have been a Christian for 2 years now. During that time, I can say honestly that I have pursued and seek after God everyday. I don't want to be a superficial or a fake christian. I am willing to follow God at ALL cost. I have grow in that 2 years, but currently lacking something and feeling Spiritually dry. Maybe it's because of the confusion around me regarding "churches". I dont know who to have fellowship with in my city and im currently looking for a solution to this problem.
So when God presents this challenge to you, what is the answer? It seems clear God is placing a burden on your heart to find a solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by masta100
Just like when you post something and notice you capitalized "spiritual" when you should not have, said "grow" instead of grown, and made several other mistakes, you noticed you were not being careful enough, so next time you will be more careful, double check what you write and so forth. In the same way, you will diligently isolate the exact solution to the problem today in the outward appearance of the kingdom of heaven. You'll use your spell checker next time, capitalize properly and reexamine your assumptions about proper ecclesiology.
You will know the solution as I do after you read Watchman Nee's "Assembling Together," "Church and the Work: Assembly Life," and "Church and the Work: Rethinking the Work."
I'm hesitant to even say what that solution is because a person can't know the solution unless they experience it as I and other Christians have.
You're right, I should be more careful with my writing. Where can I find that book....
"Watchman Nee's "Assembling Together," "Church and the Work: Assembly Life," and "Church and the Work: Rethinking the Work."
Thanks.
Christian Fellowship Publishers, http://www.c-f-p.com/
I was thinking the problem with Christians today of many years is they are so stuck in their ways, it is hard to get them to think there is a solution other than the status quo.
What do you think I should do until I find the solution. Don't go to any of the churches here in Korea because they are all wrong??? Anyways, beside from that problem, I'm excited about joining biblocality.com. I think it's a great website. Thanks for everything.
By the way, is there anyway I can get that book for free online?
While you wait for those books, read this, http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/whichchurch.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by masta100
Stop misusing the term "churches" for they teach modalism and deification and Total depravity. A church is not under false Apostleship or Eldership, nor does is operate under the title called The Local Church with a file number for tax purposes in that country and a distribution arm of its products called Living Stream Ministry.
Realize the town, city or rural area you are in of believers is the church, no matter where they are in your locality, even if some denomination or cult has them held up in their dungeon.
There is probably no Elder of your locality because no Apostle has selected any to take care of the believers of that locale. First the Apostles need to find agreement in the province (or region of churches) your city is located in.
All in good time. "Never be in a hurry about appointing an elder" (1 Tim. 5.22).
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/bodyofchrist.htmQuote:
By the way, is there anyway I can get that book for free online?
Hey Troy, do you have the FULL knowledge of God's Economy and the entire bible??? Are you FULL grown???
I don't like that word "Economy" for Church organizing and governmental affairs. It is not used in Scripture and the number of verses your cult uses to support this word are way off. It is too economical, having financial connotations, and registering its income to the government. The amount of money your cult has sued Christians for is outrageous!Quote:
Originally Posted by masta100
Your Witness Lee terminology is undesirable, like the economy of the Roman Church. Your cult of modalism, Total depravity, deification, shouters and suing for faith was focused on a New City that was not physical, but Watchman Nee proved the New City was physical in 19 points, thus rejecting Witness Lee's beliefs. Witness Lee was never born-again.
Instead, use words like biblocality or a Scriptural locality of "local believers" (Acts 21.4) and God's plan: "I want them to have full confidence because they have complete understanding of God's secret plan, which is Christ himself" (Col. 2.2 NLT).
Am I full grown? I don't think any of us are full grown until we are resurrected and even then we keep growing in ways and experiences God has planned for us.
I am glad at least you have decided to stay away from that cult and hopefully, permanently. Remember, deception comes by way of what initially and often innocently seem palatable, but the more you get involved, the more you realize the cunningness and corruption that put on this facade. If you go back to them, you are committing a voluntary sin and requires your confession for such deliberate sins (Lev. 5.1-4; 16.21; 26.40; Numb. 5.6-7). Through confession, deliberate sins are converted into inadvertent or unwitting sin (page 157-159 of The Apologetics Study Bible) so they may receive the expiation from by sin offerings for involuntary sins or sins you weren't aware of. The blood of Christ is of no effect for an unrepentant sinner (producing no benefit from sacrifice). No sacrifice can atone for sins of absolute defiance (Numb. 15.30-31), but require your confession (something more). Such offenses are those classified in the Ten Commandments. Paul identified the Messiah as the sin offering (Rom. 8.3, 2 Cor. 5.2). In the cult you have come from, they worship a god they place above God which falls into violating the Ten Commandments for which death was the penalty in Leviticus. You need to make an outward confession of their sinfulness and specifically what it is.
My prayers are with you.
According to saints in Korea, they say that Witness lee knows more than Watchman Nee. They claim that through Watchman Nee, Witness Lee learned what Watchman Nee knew and further developed it. Witness lee basically saw a higher vision and has a up-to-date vision through Watchman Nee.
What do you think? Is that True?
I was reading The Spiritual Man and shared with a brother how I really enjoyed reading it and He basically told me to read Witness lee's book's because it's more "current" and up-to-date.
Logically speaking, In my view, it does make sense that a student can learn from the teacher and end up knowing more than the teacher. In the case of Witness lee, he was in the Ministry for about 60 years or so. Lived until 90. So, was it possible that Witness Lee saw a higher Vision than Watchman Nee?
In the Lord's Recovery, they always encourage saints to "enjoy Chirst"
What do you think that means?
Why is that Wrong?
Do they mean shouters, screamers, violent outbursts and repetitive screaming mantra? I would say this is wrong because it places the person in passivity and verses are misused to rationalize it. The common aim is to try to get the person not to delve deeply into Scripture, touching their spirit and by the Holy Spirit. Repeated outbursts in 2 or 3 words is just zombiism.
Ministry? Witness Lee was never born-again. How can you be in the Ministry of the Work for the Church if you are not even regenerated?
Watchman Nee never taught shouters, nor suing for faith, Total depravity (Calvinism), modalism, calling oneself God, or bearing false witness drastically altering writings. Nor did Nee teach there was a Local Church name or renounce the physical New City Witness Lee did. Nee taught Biblocality or Scriptural locality by the Apostles which Witness Lee in his system had no Apostles.
If there is something more, besides false teaching, what is it that you think Witness Lee contributed? He was just used for the Devil's playground to try to bring in confusion and false teaching.
I know of a cult that teaches Oneness (same thing as Modalism), but do a good job of exposing the heresy of Calvinism. Even so, Modalism is still false and they are no less unsaved simply because they recognize the evil that is in Total depravity and TULIP.
They don't worship the Triune God nor do Leeists.
nc,Quote:
Originally Posted by masta100
What the Lord has put on my heart to say:
1) Forget The Local Church and their nonsense: deification, modalism, total depravity. Deification is wrong because that is the temptation of the serpent in the Garden. Modalism is wrong because then God would not be complex, relational and personable in His 3 Persons. And Total depravity is wrong because God provides sufficient grace for all.
2) Forget shouters for that is not what the Apostles did. Forget suing for the Apostles did not sue the brethren. Forget The Local Church because they have no Apostles and their Elders work from the bottom up, not receiving from the top down through appointment by regional Apostles in agreement, e.g. like Paul, James, John and Peter were. Instead they receive from the head of their man-made organization which has a profit center.
3) Jesus will return when the Church reaches its pinnacle. The pinnacle is not reached until churches are organized. The churches can't get organized because the Apostles are not in agreement.
4) There were other Apostles alive at the time of John, other than the 12. "He was seen...then of the twelve" (1 Cor. 15.5); "after that, He was seen...then of all the apostles" (v.7).
5) You are not an Apostle, nor are you an Elder. What are you to do? Consecrate yourself by reading the word of God deeply, and read Watchman Nee's books (osas arminian, trinitarian), for he was a lone voice preserving Scriptural locality and our being tripartite. He was like a Jeremiah who preached 40 years and nobody listened. Buy all his books at CFP and CLC, and get reading to prepare yourself for what is to come. He got it right!
Put the other stuff in a box for a rainy day when you want to expose that cult years later.
Don't be overly concerned with find a place to hang out. First you must appreciate our being tripartite, osas arminian, gap restoration, partial rapture and biblocality. Why? Because these are the foundations in Scripture: the dividing of spirit and soul to walk by the spirit, God's grace is sufficient for all (ability to have the choice), creation proper (science agrees), end-times proper (warning for not overcoming) and proper ecclesiology (agreement of the regional Apostles to appoint Elders of a locality).
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
I don't see this from you at all. I understand you want to be bold and speak truth, but without love your nothing.
YOu will say whatever is in your mind and will not back down to anyone. (i actually like that attitude) But you need to show love and the fruits of it.
How do you fellowship with others in your locality? Which "church" did you join? If your at home in front of the computer all day and eating good food and watching TV and entertaining yourself with soulish things and not really "actively" seeking fellowship with others then your lazy and indifferent and too loose. That's when satan attacks!!!
Andrew (masta100 or msta100, http://www.youtube.com/user/msta100),
I have told you the truth in love and it is for your benefit, so you should receive it as such, instead of having a spirit of hostility and dissension. Obviously, you don't want to repent of some things. Deal with those matters instead of shutting your mind down. I don't see you dealing with these problems of your cult. Where's your change of mind? I don't see the Spirit of truth in you, nor love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness or faith. Where's the fruit of the Spirit in your words?
You seem to be defending false teaching. That is the real issue. You think being loving is something else, but who would want that kind of love being like Satan the great accuser? This is how you present yourself. You're just railing without reasoning. If you really love somebody you will speak to them plainly instead of playing games. Right now, you are just saying whatever is on your mind, but you are actually sinning bearing false witness instead of dealing with the points brought about your specific false teachings.
Don't you understand Scriptural locality? You don't join the church. Read this article by Watchman Nee who says the same. Wherever 2 or 3 are gathered in His name there is the church and the church is a locality of believers. Your cult doesn't qualify, because it has many false teachings such as modalism and deification which were never taught as part as members of the body of Christ. It is a cult and a sign of unsalvation. Until you accept that, you will not advance one iota. You'll just fall deeper down the rabbit hole. Seeking fellowship doesn't mean fellowshipping with cult members in a cult setting. Get saved and find fellowship with true believers. In spirituals matters, nothing is ever so difficult as it seems, nor is is it as easy one might think.
Realize how much you are sinning, for you even accuse Christians of eating food!? and using the computer all day which is not the case at all. This shows your indifference and looseness. You'll accuse of anything it seems without anything support your accusation, only because you cling to heresies and I know this about you so you react. Therefore, you attack with mindless ad hominems instead of the dealing with the false teachings you cling to so desperately. Watchman Nee said once, praise the Lord for the precious blood of Christ which covers us, because we will even be attacked and accused for speaking the truth! Satan attacks through you which you allow yourself to be used in that way. How is this love? It looks like your cult has a firm hold on you and you're clinging to several of their false teachings. Very sad. My prayers go out to you to repent.
If you would like to talk about anything specific regarding these false teachings of your cult, let me know.