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JamesRobert
I'm sure that this will be my last post here as I have already received an infraction. I'm not entirely sure for what, I've reviewed everything that I wrote, and though much of it was poorly written, I hardly think that this is cause for an infraction. My infraction was for "false teachings", though I taught nothing throughout anything I wrote, I merely stated fact and opinion. If "false teachings" is defined as "disagreeing", then I'm guilty.
By you getting an infraction you are still able to post, so why let this be your last post? You are trying to conceal how ignorant of a person you can be, for it was already explained to you in the infraction your false teaching. In your profile you registered by answering the question, What is Your Primary Work or Gift for the Church? Gifted with the word of wisdom. But you are not a member of the body of Christ to work for the Church, thus have no gifts for the Church. Your other infraction you received was for insulting others because you don't like it presumably when people insult you since you accuse of being insulted. Hence, because you have this double standard, you are being selfish and thus got the appropriate infraction for your double standard. Why is this so hard to understand that you have to post the issue on the forums and falsely represent like you have no idea why you got those infractions? Alas, I am repeating myself, and you are belligerent.
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I digress... now, onto the meat of what will surely earn me my second infraction.
First, I meant prove as in to show beyond reasonable doubt that those were in fact the events that transpired. We very much believe Jesus was resurrected, but you cannot know it because it cannot be proven. That's just a fact, though I fear we have reduced this to a matter of semantics. I am NOT belittling anyone's faith, just pointing out what I meant when I said it, it's a matter of definitions. No more on that.
No this discussion is not why you got your very first two infractions, for it was explained to you in a personal email when you got the infractions and reiterated here in this thread.
Jesus is proven to have resurrected because there is no naturalistic explanation for the eyewitness claims. You put forth none. This is not about semantics or belittling your faith in atheism, but the fact that historically the life of Jesus is more well attested than any other human being in antiquity, so lack of material or testimony is not the problem. The problem is you can't find a naturalistic theory that fits the data; hence, that is why you are going to Hell. God puts you in a position where the evidence is overwhelming and you present no challenge to it. Shutting your mind down is not a legitimate approach.
As to your potentially coming 3rd infraction, you will receive it if your argument continues to be to shut your mind down instead of investigating the data for a naturalistic explanation to see if you can make it fit. As it stands the eyewitness accounts truly believed they saw Jesus resurrected. Almost all skeptical scholars concede this point. So the burden is on you to show otherwise. This point has already been stated in this thread, so don't respond with nothing to offer when you present no problem with the eyewitness claims.
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If God wants us to "prove everything", why would he punish us for coming to different conclusions about life than He did? After all, He did choose to make us imperfectly. You're also telling me that you would tell someone that you are trying to convert something other than what you believe. That's a sales technique... interesting. If you come to realize that the Bible in inerrant, then that should be the claim that you make from the outset, as it should be self-evident to all that read it.
God doesn't come to conclusions as it were, for He is the creator. He knows what is going to happen. He doesn't make some conclusion. Remember, God has infinite foreknowledge. He responds effectively to all things. Your assumption we are made imperfectly has no basis. We are made perfectly in His image. He punishes you because sin has consequences. Why is that so hard to understand? I am trying to convert someone to something other than what I believe? Where do you come up with that idea? A sales technique? I know it upsets you to realize that Christians don't first assume the Bible to be inerrant, but rather come to that conclusion by the preponderance of evidence of these 66 books after accepting Christ. Do you see how you have several mistaken assumptions here that keep you in the dark and like that great accuser who sins bearing false witness? That's why Step 3 of the 4 Step Perfect Proof for God is part of the proof, because it is illogical to try to disprove God by misrepresenting His approach of how He proves Himself. The 66 books are God's provision for us. It convinces on several levels for you to come to Christ. It shows in the OT you can't keep the law proving you are a sinner. It speaks to your conscience and affects you internally and deeply that you are drawn to Christ to believe in Him for your salvation. The Word of God is not just a convincing instrument, but it is also God's provision for us who are saved to walk therein and do His will. Now the proof is given in these 4 Steps, so where is your challenge?
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Now, onto your second quotation. What grace have I personally had? I'm still being punished for something that Adam and Eve did, this was no fault of my own yet I am still being punished for it. I was brought into this world unaware of anything, and only through my own experiences with my family (who I wasn't given the option to choose) do I learn anything about the world. If God didn't want me to be me, then why didn't he make me perfectly?
You are being punished, for sin gets punished, and you will be punished eternally for it because you refuse the remedy. You choose to be eternally separated from God, so God says you are already condemned (John 3.18); that is to say, if you don't make a choice for Christ before you die in this body of flesh and blood, you will surely go to Hell. For you to exist there is no other way for mankind to be born into sin by the first two God-conscious people who rebelled. Just as you should not blame your parents for bringing you into the world, nor should you blame God for the fact that in order for you to exist you would have to be born into sin, because procreation is the only way for people to come into existence. You are made perfectly, but you received a sin nature for the sins of the first Adam. God couldn't do it any better than it was done. That is reality. Deal with it. Stop making childish excuses. it is better this way than not to be created at all, don't you think? If God created Adam and Eve without the option to refuse Him, then that is not perfect, but robots. God wants fellowship with souls who have the choice, not robots. You want a robot maker and you want to be a mindless zombie robot and think that's perfect, but that's not perfect. That's calvinism. That's shutting your mind down to God's great design. Let's say you died for some reason before the age of accountability. You would still be saved, assuming you would have given your life to Christ at some after reaching the age of accountability. God can foresee all contingent possibilities in all world ensembles; but He actualizing this one world because it saves the most and damns the least which authenticates free-will.
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Also, you completely contradict yourself when you say that God is loving, and in the same breath say that God would never allow an unsaved person to be with the saved. Think about what that contradiction means. God's standard should be different than ours because God is perfect and immortal, therefore above the constraints that we put on ourselves as mortal men and women that have but seventy years on this planet if they are lucky.
If we lock up a rapist for life because he clearly will never change, why wouldn't God separate this person for forever who forever rejects His atonement who wants to be eternally separated from God? You put on God immoral standards to reflect your own corrupted conscience by bringing together the rapist with his victims and by some catharsis expect there to be some reconciliation, all the while you against God keep rejecting Him and the rapist keeps molesting this same victim. Don't you think that sick minded of you? The more people talk with you, the more they realize what a bad person you are.
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Next, on to your third quotation. I stand by what I said. I cannot fathom a world where God would condemn you to an eternity in hell for disobeying some part of the Bible, especially when you admit that the Bible contains errors.
Remember what was said about not misrepresenting God's Word? You are not condemned to an eternity in Hell because you vaguely disobey some part of the Bible, but because you reject the only means of salvation, for there is no other name under heaven by which one can be saved. Unless you confess the Lord Jesus before men as your Savior, He will deny you before the Father in Heaven.
I found no errors in the Bible. Rather, if you did find a secondary error, it wouldn't be enough to reject the central message of God's Word that we all need that perfect sacrifice for our sins, for sin leads to death and the second death which is Hell.
Understand your flesh. Your flesh is trying to fathom some way to find fault with the Bible to reject God, but by my responses you can see you are always wrong in your thinking. You misrepresent, you twist your mind and contort your thoughts, but they are always false. Always! I haven't found one thing you said that is true yet.
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You're right about the technical definition of atheism. I would propose that there is no problem with my thinking, however, as I believe that you and I are both atheists to a point. Atheists just believe in one less god than we do. I stand by my point that atheism is not a cult, however, because if you say that atheism is a cult the so too are Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. That's just not an okay position for a Christian to hold.
Atheists believe in no God to be precise, not merely just one less. Hence, it is a contradiction to believe Christians can be atheists. It's impossible. Again, you are wrong. You're always wrong. Yes, Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism are all cults at the end of the day. That's exactly the position for a Christian to take because these are all just various ways to reject God's saving grace through His only begotten Son. Look at the various definitions of cult to realize several of the definitions pertain to each of these cults, including atheism and agnosticism.
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On to your fifth quotation. I'm going to concede all of the rest of it, because I didn't know you had changed it. I was wrong to defend their thought process when I didn't know what it was. I will tell you this though, I have read the Bible cover to cover twice... which is sort of asking a lot from a person like me. Also, I have read the other gospels that we have found that did not make it into the Bible, and they are also fascinating (and tell a very different story). Have you read them?
Changed what? All I did was change the title, because it's not appropriate for these forums for someone to by starting threads say they are God. You can talk about the theory you are God, but I am trying to disinfect such absurdities at least to some extent.
Why would you consider second and third century writings that directly contradict Scripture as worthy of consideration and somehow think they belong with the 66 books of God's Word? That's illogical. Not even many books in the Septuagint belong in Scripture held to by religious Rome-the Roman Church and Eastern Orthodox.
If you read the Bible twice carefully, then you should know Paul said in 1 Cor. 15, Gal. 1 & 2, he met Peter, James (brother of Jesus) and John on more than one occasion, whom said they saw Jesus alive from the dead after He died on the cross. Paul gives his own reverse testimony of seeing Jesus resurrected. These Apostles truly believed it. People don't go to their deaths as martyrs for the resurrection claim if they didn't really believe it. Since they really believed it and skeptical scholars concede this fact, because the data is undeniable, then how do you explain it away? Since you can't, receive Jesus into your life to be saved by grace through faith. Nothing is better.
You know what I find most interesting in our talk? It is that God has given me His eternal blessings in eternal life which is also an ability to know Him. You neither have these eternal blessings nor an ability to know Him, because you don't have eternal life. You have only eternal damnation. God has not given you the grace to believe in Him and His only begotten Son. What I am really fascinated by is how people put up walls to block God from coming into their hearts. I think learning more about this will help me to help lead people to Christ, because I can find out where it is they put up a wall. For example, with you, you mention various things which I have responded to. But they in themselves are not really the reason I don't think. They are just things you are looking to to blame God and reject God and even deny His existence from your already locked in position of independency against God. I know that logical arguments are not going to convince you, even though God says these natural proofs are His proof. They condemn you. Some people will accept them, but others don't. What will convince you to receive salvation is my finding out what your deeper inner issue really is against God, giving you the truth of that mistaken assumption (actually getting you to come to the truth of that mistaken assumption on your own with a little coaxing by me) and for that we would have to talk about your personal issues of what you have experienced in life even from when you were a young child. There are things in your life that sparked a blaming attitude against God, so regression therapy will be most useful.
By regression, I mean simply talking about, was there a point in your life you did believe in God? Have you always rejected God? What hardships have you encountered in life that may have been used as a blaming point? If you would prefer to talk by personal email or private message about more sensitive issues, we can do that. I can strip away for you the point where you really separated yourself from God. Once you realize the truth of that situation, you will remove a barrier to God and it will be quite easy to accept Him and His redemptive design. You would be surprised how easy it can be once a couple of key blockages are removed. They are not that hard to find if you allow yourself to talk to a Christian about them for we are guided by the Holy Spirit to the truth. You know by intuition what are stumbling points in your past experiences with people, work, etc. Let your intuition examine and bring your memory to those areas of your life. Ask yourself what you are assuming in those scenarios. Then ask what the truth of those assumptions are. If they are founded in reality there is no problem. But some assumptions are killing you. You carry them around inside of you even subconsciously and don't even have access to them unless you do some work in bringing them out with someone who can help you who has the Holy Spirit to bring them to the surface to examine.
